Comment on An 18-year-old woman in Queensland faces two years in jail for wearing a shirt that says "from the river to the sea."

Zephorah@discuss.online ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

• ForgottenUsername@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Exactly, half these people are bored with nothing better to do and should be working.

  You can tell as they often are a collective with no common goal or objective other than ‘protest’. And it’s causing such division in our society with now a strong anti immigration movement cos people are getting sick of it.

  And in the end everyone loses.

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  • bampop@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    If you can get arrested and jailed for wearing a shirt saying “from the river to the sea”, that means your government is suppressing your free speech in service to the genocidal regime of a different country. Even if you don’t care about the genocide, the subversion of your democracy by a foreign power is something that any responsible citizen should be fighting against.

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    • SarahFromOz@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Best comment in this whole thread

      SINCERELY - Thank you !!!

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    • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      We have no free speech btw. And yes, the government is suppressing and censoring speech because that’s what the political left have been begging them to do for years. Now it’s here and surprise surprise, they thought it wouldn’t be used against them, and now they’re not happy.

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    • ForgottenUsername@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Again so quick to fire you assume that I disagree with you.

      Something to consider though, we do have free speech in this country and its likely and this case will get thrown out.

      But also tell me how wearing a t shirt constructively convinces others to share our point of view? Quite the contrary I imagine others who don’t share the same opinion will go ‘avoid this person before they shout at me for having a different point of view’

      And do you know a better way to make a movement in this country than if everyone is able to convince someone else to share (or perhaps just lean closer to) a common opinion/belief. So if instead of pissing off alternative points of view, have an open chat, you might change ppls minds. 1 million voices is better than 100,000 voices, and 25 million voices is better than 1 million. And an open chat is not wearing a tshirt.

      But first people need to actually talk and listen to each other instead of shouting and hating each other.

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      • bampop@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        You assume that I assume that you disagree with me.

        Well, I am making a counterpoint to your comments about people having nothing better to do and not having a common goal as a collective. This one woman achieved something extremely worthwhile, and probably wasn’t working in isolation. She brought attention to some absurd bans on free speech, and by calling the government’s bluff on it, helped to reduce the chilling effect on dissent that such restrictions are intended to create. It takes courage, but the most effective way to oppose an unjust law is to break that law, openly and with as much publicity as possible. It draws attention to what is wrong in a way that an open chat simply fails to do.

        I’m not opposed to verbal persuasion, but it has limitations. Sure you might be able to convince one person of something in a face to face conversation. But that’s small fry compared to the influence of internet forums, which have become overrun with bots, paid shills, foreign interference, partisan moderators and hidden algorithms designed to maximize engagement and promote particular viewpoints.

        Sure you can try to change people’s minds and/or maintain a balanced worldview in that arena. But any large scale forum for talk tends to create delusion, division and outrage, by design. It keeps dissent in a form that is limited and manipulated. Keep talking by all means, but people like this woman are doing more to improve the world than mere talk ever could.

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      • Zephorah@discuss.online ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Wearing a shirt doesn’t, but then why should the government care? The answer is they shouldn’t.

        Punchinb nazis used to be cool. Now, when the forner victims of genocide pay that genocide forward, governments defend it, going so far as to prosecute their own for saying “I don’t like it”.

        A normal government reply would be: cool, enjoy your angst. Instead, they spend money and energy on it which is not normal.

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      • toad@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Let’s have a quiet conversation about bombing your family with white phosphorus. You can start :)

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  • pipi1234@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    If the citizens of the countries that can exert some pressure on other genocidal countries do nothing who will?

    Your logic is no different to saying people involved in WW2 should have mind their own businesses unless directly attacked by the Nazis.

    You also fail to recognise that, as history teaches, oppression somewhere in the world can quickly be exported to you country.

    And most importantly, unless you are a soulless person with no sense of empathy, we should care about suffering anywhere in the world.

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    • ForgottenUsername@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Before you get on your high horse that’s not what I said.

      I said that a lot of these people are protesting without having a common cause on what they are protesting for. And that it is creating deep fractures in our society.

      But don’t let a fact get in the way of your keyboard rage, grab your pitchfork, jump down the throat of anyone who you think is pro Israeli, and make sure to throw in a WW2 or Nazi reference.

      Or perhaps consider that your response is exactly what I was talking about, and it’s this kind of rant that is dividing us.

      I encourage a good discussion, sharing of ideas/opinions, perhaps you’ll change peoples minds but instead you resort to a “you’re wrong and I’m gonna call you names”

      And for the record, I still haven’t said I’m pro war cos I’m not. What I’ve said is I am disappointed in the people in this country with how they have responded to it.

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      • pipi1234@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Wow, internet person… I never ever called you names or said you are pro-war.

        I’d rather have a not-so-clear-about-the-issue protester than whatever excuse for doing nothing you are proposing.

        Dont let perfect be the enemy of good.

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      • toad@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Fuck off bitch some friend of mine died. Piece of shit

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  • toad@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Some friends died in Beyrtuth asshole.

    People who get sick of it are genocide apologists.

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