As a domestic abuser survivor (of a woman), a lot of us men are just not taken seriously. It is a lot like how people diminish one person’s pain/suffering just because it “isn’t as bad” as someone else’s pain. Men are absolutely abused, raped, and falsely accused. But because it happens to women more, we have to bear our suffering in silence.
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Bluegrass_Addict@lemmy.ca 4 weeks ago
can males avoid women drivers or is that considered sexist? what if a male wants to mitigate the chance of being falsely accused of assault/rape? I hope people have the choice regardless of gender
EmpatheticTeddyBear@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Wammityblam@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
No one is saying that men cannot be victims of harassment or assault.
However it is objectively true that women deal with this problem in much higher quantities than men do.
yucandu@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
However it is objectively true that women deal with this problem in much higher quantities than men do.
How do you know that it is objectively true, if you also know these statistics are based around a culture that discourages men from reporting this problem?
Gathorall@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
And that’s why there should be a “no foreigners or blacks”-option.
MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 4 weeks ago
Per RAINN, 57% of perpetrators are white. I’ll charitably imagine you’re attempting to point out perceived hypocrisy in gender vs race selection, but you’re perpetuating racist and xenophobic stereotypes. White men commit rape at more than twice the rate of black men, and naturally born citizens commit crimes at rates higher than both documented and undocumented immigrants.
If you want to make the case that it’s a discriminatory policy, you’re welcome to do so, but tying it to false perceptions of race is probably not the best move. It’s coming off as reactionary at best.
TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 4 weeks ago
[deleted]WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com 4 weeks ago
I never understood this fear.
Always seems weird when people are more worried about accusations than sexual assault/harassement. The latter seems far more common ime, even if you are seen as a guy.
Glitchvid@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I think it’s a perspective thing.
Men are less likely to perceive themselves as potential SA victims: so the relative subjective “chance” of false accusationsagainst them vs being victims themselves impacts their priorities.
minorkeys@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I’ve been sexually assaulted multiple times over my life, all by women. I did not conceive of the actions as assault until I heard women’s claims, of the same actions, be accepted as a form of sexual assault. Men absolutely under report their sexual assault, especially as the definition continues to be expanded, including more behaviors that men have already dismissed.
minorkeys@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Why? Most people, most of the time, focus on the perceived threats to themselves. Men, some subgroup of men in particular, are at a higher risk of false accusations than of sexual assault. What is seen as a danger to them is likely what they’ll focus on. And that’s a very reasonable and fair thing to do. Is that not exactly what women do when they focus on the risk of sexual assault and not on the risk of false accusations?
Both are legitimate fears. Both make sense. Both should be respected but only one actually is, across society.
WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com 4 weeks ago
Men, some subgroup of men in particular, are at a higher risk of false accusations than of sexual assault.
Are they? The former seems pretty much unheard of while the latter ain’t uncommon. I think the only subgroup of men where the perceived risk of being falsely accused of SA are men who commit SA and just don’t believe it is SA.
yucandu@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
You ever tried taking a little girl to the park when you identified as a man?
It gets really weird when complete strangers go up to her and ask her if she knows you.
They don’t do that when you present as a woman.
supamanc@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
This has never happened to me, and I take my daughter, and her friends to the park all the time…
minorkeys@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
And I’ve hung out with plenty of men and they’ve never sexually assaulted me…
protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 weeks ago
I have had this happen on reverse
I when I go boymode, with my mom at some place like shopping mall, I got weird looks because people thought we were a couple
Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de 4 weeks ago
The amount of falsely accused is less than 5% of all the rape cases.
So a women getting raped is about 20 times more likely than a man being falsely accused of rape.
And that is only counting all the instances where the rape got reported.
artyom@piefed.social 4 weeks ago
The amount of falsely accused is less than 5% of all the rape cases.
LOL how could you possibly know that?
So a women getting actually raped is about 20 times more likely than a man being falsely accused of rape.
So that makes false accusations a non-issue for men? Not sure what you’re trying to get at here.
Bluegrass_Addict@lemmy.ca 4 weeks ago
people just… don’t get it. I’m shocked everytime I mention equality, and get met with the above nonsense. lol
I will never understand people’s thought processes. if I said no women should have this, sure… but I’m asking for everyone to have the same right, like… what?
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 4 weeks ago
Forget it, humans are a lost cause. They should be allowed to go extinct.
artyom@piefed.social 4 weeks ago
LOL of course not. Equality for me, not for thee.
Wammityblam@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
This is the shit that makes men look bad.
Men absolutely do not experience sexual harassment at the same level that women do.
It’s not close at all.
Why can’t we just let the women have a dub without being all “buhhh what about da men???”
artyom@piefed.social 4 weeks ago
Ad women don’t experience accusations of sexual harrassment at the same level that men do.
Why can’t we just support equality for everyone? Why is that so hard?
Wammityblam@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
As much as you want to try to paint men as the victims, they’re just not.
Yes, it happens. No it doesn’t not happen nearly as frequently.
This issue is extremely skewed toward women.
ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 weeks ago
Why can’t we just support equality for everyone? Why is that so hard?
At least part of it is because of people like you who get upset whenever someone challenges the grossly inequitous status quo.
jumjummy@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Are you an “All Lives Matter” clown? It sure reads that way.
carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 weeks ago
are you trying to say being accused of sexual assault is the same as being sexually assaulted lmao
YaDownWitCPP@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
That’s it, I’ve had it. Somebody get Joe Rogan in here so we can hash this out.
frostysauce@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I downvoted you because it’s always a certain type of person to go on about men being “fAlSeLy AcCusEd of Rape.”
Bluegrass_Addict@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
do men get falsely accused of rape? are you denying this happens?
oh wait, nevermind. I don’t care for your sexist views. get lost
Havatra@lemmy.zip 4 weeks ago
It might be considered sexist, depending on who you ask.
The amount of males being falsely accused of sexual assault is much lower than the amount of females being exposed to sexual assault. Hence why there has been provided a measure for women at this scale, and not for men.
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
As a penis haver who has been falsely accused of sexual assault, it’s far more common than you think.
Havatra@lemmy.zip 4 weeks ago
I’m sorry that you had to go through that, and I must emphasize that I do not wish to “let” anyone be exposed to this. However, I remain unconvinced that it’s “more common than I think”. The amount of sexual assault that women are exposed to is unfortunately far, far more common, and a bigger problem that should take precedence in being dealt with.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 4 weeks ago
So how does fucking men out of that option help women? It’s not a zero-sum game. You must have a certain ulterior motive, the subtext is that you want innocent men to be accused of rape to take revenge for the innocent women who were raped.
Not hard to read that sort of thing, and I don’t care how many downvotes or anger this will provoke, I know you self-righteous folk, I know the truth.
yucandu@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
And you know this because… vibes?
Havatra@lemmy.zip 4 weeks ago
Don’t take my word for it; look it up. But here, I’ll save you some time by spending my own:
worldmetrics.org/false-rape-allegations-statistic…
statista.com/…/reported-forcible-rape-cases-in-th…
www.cdc.gov/nisvs/…/sexualviolence-brief.pdf
Say out of 140 000 reports of rape in one year, 4% are false. That leaves us with 5600 false accusations. And according to the survey shown by CDC, there’s an estimated 1.4 million women raped in 12 months.
minorkeys@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
But the fear of sexual assault is why women prefer women, so ain’t the fear of accusations a justifiable reason? Why does it have to be equal to matter?
Havatra@lemmy.zip 4 weeks ago
Here: www.cdc.gov/nisvs/…/sexualviolence-brief.pdf
Men have so much less reason to fear compared to women. This is not saying they have nothing to fear, but the measures taken by uber is an attempt to protect those who are MUCH more prone to sexual assault and harassment.
The fear of accusations is not covered in this survey, nevertheless, if men feel fearful of accusations, imagine what women feel when they fear actually being sexually assaulted.
minorkeys@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I do not agree this can be assumed.