Comment on Online age-verification tools spread across U.S. for child safety, but adults are being surveilled

• undrwater@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  What I like about the convenience store idea, is that the certification process is decentralized. An app wouldn’t be.

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  • lost_faith@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The store won’t keep a copy of your ID on a database to be inevitably hacked

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  • Kraiden@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    There is no technical reason it couldn’t be decentralized. It’s a file handed to you by a trusted issuer, like (not American, so guessing:) the dmv. From that point on it should all be local processing to generate the child certs. It doesn’t need to phone home until the credentials expire.

    Again, the implementation is the problem

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    • Lfrith@lemmy.ca ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Now that we see groups pushing for age verification are third parties like Palantir and the US government having demanded account info on those who were critical of ICE I don’t think third party entities going forward can be trusted anymore to be unaffiliated with the state.

      Maybe when Estonia got their program implemented. But, now such a system being put in place for other countries is going to be untrustworthy in their motives and methods.

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      • Kraiden@piefed.social ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Yep, you’re not wrong. The people currently pushing for age verification are specifically doing it to destroy online anonymity, because they realise what a threat it is to them. I just want people to understand that they are peddling a false necessity. You do NOT need to give up privacy or anonymity to have a viable age verification system. Like I said in another comment:

        At some point, I sincerely hope that the current regime will end and be replaced by something more sane. At that point, I don’t want people to immediately think “age verification = bad”

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  • paraphrand@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    If that ID is only verified by an underpaid store clerk, that means the system is already a nonstarter. That person is ripe for corruption.

    This sort of idea always rolls back up to the government being directly involved if you game it out.

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    • undrwater@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The underpaid clerk already sells booze and cigarettes.

      The age token would be free at the time of acquisition (paid by taxes of course).

      Yes, you’d get the “buy me a porn token please!” request behind the 7-11, but I’d bet it would be far less frequent than requests to buy booze.

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    • yermaw@sh.itjust.works ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      No system is perfect. The “show us your face so we can guess your age” thing we have in the UK (i think its an American company anyway) can be tricked by showing it the guy from Death Stranding, and i assume any other sufficiently realistic game.

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