Comment on Online age-verification tools spread across U.S. for child safety, but adults are being surveilled

• Kraiden@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Swap the convenience store for an app, and the ID for a digital cert, and ye basically!

  Any Estonians reading, please feel free to correct me

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  • undrwater@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What I like about the convenience store idea, is that the certification process is decentralized. An app wouldn’t be.

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    • Kraiden@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      There is no technical reason it couldn’t be decentralized. It’s a file handed to you by a trusted issuer, like (not American, so guessing:) the dmv. From that point on it should all be local processing to generate the child certs. It doesn’t need to phone home until the credentials expire.

      Again, the implementation is the problem

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      • Lfrith@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Now that we see groups pushing for age verification are third parties like Palantir and the US government having demanded account info on those who were critical of ICE I don’t think third party entities going forward can be trusted anymore to be unaffiliated with the state.

        Maybe when Estonia got their program implemented. But, now such a system being put in place for other countries is going to be untrustworthy in their motives and methods.

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    • lost_faith@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The store won’t keep a copy of your ID on a database to be inevitably hacked

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    • paraphrand@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If that ID is only verified by an underpaid store clerk, that means the system is already a nonstarter. That person is ripe for corruption.

      This sort of idea always rolls back up to the government being directly involved if you game it out.

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      • undrwater@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The underpaid clerk already sells booze and cigarettes.

        The age token would be free at the time of acquisition (paid by taxes of course).

        Yes, you’d get the “buy me a porn token please!” request behind the 7-11, but I’d bet it would be far less frequent than requests to buy booze.

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      • yermaw@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        No system is perfect. The “show us your face so we can guess your age” thing we have in the UK (i think its an American company anyway) can be tricked by showing it the guy from Death Stranding, and i assume any other sufficiently realistic game.

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