Comment on System76 on Age Verification Laws

• mindbleach@sh.itjust.works ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  How many of these websites where children gather and self-identity are created and maintained by paedophiles specifically to prey on childen?

  In light of the Epstein files I would hesitate to say that number is zero. Nevermind that most such platforms are smaller than the giants you mentioned. Or that anyone working for or with kid-filled sites of any size could make it incidentally about preying on said kids. Apparently people manage when they’re just anonymous users.

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  • PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Or that anyone working for or with kid-filled sites of any size could make it incidentally about preying on said kids. Apparently people manage when they’re just anonymous users.

    But like, thats exactly my point. Its platforms like Roblox that predators seek out to prey on children. They don’t create their own. An age verification law will have no effect on that. A hidden backend value thats illegal to share doesn’t make it significantly easier for predators. Even if they did have unrestricted access to user data, wouldn’t a hundred other variables better identify vulnerable users, like use of voice chat and past text messages? Hell, I would expect children with the age flag not set to be more vulnerable, given that it would likely mean the parent is less likely to be tech-savy and/or less likely to be paying attention to their child.

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    • mindbleach@sh.itjust.works ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      ‘This law is fine because it won’t affect child predators’ is a brave argument.

      What is it for? You’ve found so many ways to say it’s toothless, optional, trivially dodged. So why fucking bother? Critics seem to agree, it’s a foot in the door for all of the other privacy-defeating efforts going on, now running in protection ring zero. What does this nonsense do, besides set off those red flags? What impact do you honestly expect, versus telling websites to have an ‘18+ only’ click-through?

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      • PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        ‘This law is fine because it won’t affect child predators’ is a brave argument.

        This obviously isn’t the argument I’m making. This law obviously isn’t meant to stop predators. Its meant to provide a parental control option for parents to limit their own children’s access to potentially harmfull or mature materials.

        Critics seem to agree, it’s a foot in the door for all of the other privacy-defeating efforts going on, now running in protection ring zero. What does this nonsense do, besides set off those red flags?

        This huge uproar is the point of my confusion. You and others in the field seem certain that this is a direct first step towards ID and AI data collection. Meanwhile, before this, I actually saw this occasionally proposed as a good option in privacy-related blogs/communities specifically because it was optional and entirely handled by the users.

        What impact do you honestly expect, versus telling websites to have an ‘18+ only’ click-through?

        More convenience for adults (not having to click “yes” every time), and having a more effective way of slowing down children accessing content that might be dangerous. For example, if I was a parent who had access to this, I’d likely set up two accounts for my kids: one set to 18+ for when I’m directly supervising them, and one set to under 18 for when I’m supervising them less thoroughly.

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• moonshadow@slrpnk.net ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  roblox

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