Comment on 40% of teenage boys believe women lie about domestic and sexual violence: new research

ryannathans@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

• CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  The evidence presented to the South Australian Royal Commission found that false reports of sexual or domestic violence are rare, likely under about 5% of reported cases, and the Commission treats the belief that false allegations are common as a misconception not supported by research.

  www.royalcommissiondfsv.sa.gov.au

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  • Cypher@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    So if we only have a yes/no response available for the question “do women lie about domestic violence?” the answer is… yes.

    We haven’t seen what the study actually asked or the options they allowed for in the response.

    The article is worthless without being able to review the actual study.

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    • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      If there was a modicum of honesty in the study design, it would have five or so options:

      1. Yes, all do

      2. Yes, most do, but some don’t

      3. Yes, about half do and half don’t

      4. Yes, some do, but most don’t

      5. No, none ever do

      So you can see how misleading a simple “yes/no” can be, and that really puts into perspective why people are taking issue with the murky methodology, and what those who take the bait are really falling for.

      Of course, even with more robust multiple choice, there are still many pitfalls, such as:

      • Does this include women who lie to hide actual abuse?
      • Does this include women who are the abuser in the relationship and lie about it?
      • Does it also ask about whether men tell the truth about dv/sa, in cases when they’re the victim or the abuser, and in cases when the allegations are true or frivolous?

      And probably more that I haven’t thought of. So there are a lot of variables, and if they only included the one leading question then it’s just ragebait really shouldn’t pass peer review (unless all the reviewers are afraid to critique it!) And the journalists reporting it (coincidentally the authors of the study) are being quite dishonest either way.

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  • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    That’s up to 5% of reported cases. How many false accusations actually make it to a formal complaint, rather than simply circulating the rumor mill? If your intent is character assassination, you wouldn’t expose your accusations to scrutiny by bringing it to court.

    Also, 1 in 20 is a huge number when you consider how many reported cases there are. That is by no means “rare.” Quite common, actually.

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    • nodiratime@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      But remember, believe all women (disbelieve all men who are denying the accusations).

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      • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Yeah, people need to understand that a false accusation of that sort can fuck you for your entire life. Some people say “well you deserve it,” because the assumption is that if you got accused then you did something to deserve it. Let’s see how that mentality ages when the fascists take over and start their purge by accusing all their opponents of whatever nonsense they can think of.

        People will point to famous examples of men who escaped accountability (for actual crimes, mind you, not false accusations), and say “it didn’t destroy his life!” Well, yeah, cause that person is rich and famous, well-connected and powerful. Those ones always evade accountability.

        I’m not talking about the too-rich-to-go-to-jail criminals running the country. I’m not talking about the kavanaughs or the trumps or the weinsteins.

        I’m talking about the average, ordinary dude who has to work for a living but can’t find a job cause everyone in town has heard the rumors. I’m talking about the dudes who barely have any friends as it is, hardly anyone to vouch for them, and those who do slowly turn their backs as his cause seems more hopeless by the day. I’m talking about the nobody-class loser whose picture winds up on a secret facebook gossip group or on tea or wherever else and gets absolutely slandered and libeled by clout-chasers or dare I say petty retaliators for any perceived slights.

        These people don’t have weinstein privilege or kavanaugh privilege or any other kind of privilege coming to save them. These people have their lives ruined, with no hope of redemption even after it comes out that the accusations were frivolous. Cause is anyone really going to trust them again?

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  • chunes@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Under 5% is not rare. Certainly not rare enough to justify the comments in this thread.

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  • ryannathans@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    5% is insanely high, I expected much lower 💀

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• Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I don’t think I’ve seen a study with solid methodology break 5%, and it’s usually in the 1-2% range.

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  • JasSmith@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I think the 1-2% number is proven false allegations. That’s a much higher bar.

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  • Makeitstop@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Seems like a nearly impossible number to prove. I would assume they are only counting cases where the accusations can be shown to be false (which will always be a much smaller number than the ones where the truth is simply unknown) and cases where the accuser recants (which will also be a smaller number and will include some women who had been telling the truth). It seems no more valid than the opposite extreme of assuming all accusations are false unless you can prove them true.

    But what’s the alternative? Forcing every case into true or false no matter how little information you have to go on? Looking only at cases with overwhelming evidence one way or the other and pretending the rest don’t exist?

    And that’s without getting into questions about things like unreported cases, or cases where part of the story checks out and part of it doesn’t. Are we only looking at formal complaints or are we including accusations that are only spread socially?

    The whole question is vague and surrounded by assumptions. It’s like asking if aliens are real. The likely answer is going to depend heavily on whether you interpret that to mean “does any form of life exist elsewhere in the universe” as opposed to “are little grey guys practicing proctology on us?”

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    • ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I can answer part of this:

      Are we only looking at formal complaints or are we including accusations that are only spread socially?

      All of these types of studies only look at formal complaints, which in a way makes sense because they’re the only ones that are even close to verifiable, and I have no idea how you’d reliably collect info on social-only accusations, good luck! But it does paint an incomplete picture.

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