Comment on An old excuse

• realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Just because America, Israel and Western vassals are objectively THE main world villains of the past few decades

  It’s very hard for me to understand how russia is not on that list in the first spot ngl.

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  • ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Yeah, Russia, the country that invaded, couped and otherwise subjugated the majority of the world, the country with almost countless military bases around the world, the country of Native genocide, chattle slavery, gunboat diplomacy, three letter agency destabilisation, etc etc. You’re dipped head to toe in propaganda, my friend, you just don’t know it but today you can begin to learn. So no, there’s no comparison, the closest American historical peers are the British and French empires, and then Rome, I guess.

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    • realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      the country that invaded, couped and otherwise subjugated the majority of the world

      Correct. That one. The chechen wars, the georgian wars, the war for transnistria, the invasion of ukraine … and that is not even mentioned all their support in the middle east.

      the country with almost countless military bases around the world

      Yes. True aswell.

      While america certainly has more, let’s not pretend that russia has little or even none. They have a heavy military presence in africa, the middle east and the occupied regions south of russia.

      the country of Native genocide

      My man, after the georgian wars, there has been an ethnic cleansing of georgians in the affected regions, most noteably abkhazia and ossetia. Now, I don’t know the total numbers and could only find total death tolls, but it’s still an ethnic cleansing on a large scale.

      gunboat diplomacy

      True, russia isn’t doing that - because they are just straightup invading the country instead.

      three letter agency destabilisation

      Yes, the FSB (the direct successor of the KGB) is certainly not engaging in any destabilization around the world. They would never bomb their own people and blame chechen insurgents for it so they can break the peace treaty and attack again … ah wait. That’s exactly what they did.

      You’re dipped head to toe in propaganda

      Nah. I know exactly that america is a shitty country, especially under trump. But when putting all their misdeeds side by side and looking at it from a neutral point of view, russia has been way more harmful to the world than america. That does not mean that america has been a net-positive btw - both are shit. But russia is way worse.

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• moakley@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  • Complains there’s no nuance anymore.

  • Provides the second least nuanced take ever.

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  • ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    How come? If that position had to be taken by anyone, who would you place there besides the usual suspects I just mentioned? It still doesn’t make Saddam someone who might see Heaven, at least IMO…

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    • moakley@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      If we’re only looking at the bad things a country has done, committing actual genocide is worse than destabilizing governments and overthrowing dictators.

      But you’re also ignoring the good things. The US has historically provided around one third of all humanitarian aid in the world. And while it may be the perfect example of democracy, it has used its power to keep much worse regimes in check.

      Saying that America is “objectively THE main world villain” is just silly. Like, you think North Korea is morally superior? Seriously? Or Russia?

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