But we can trust something else: it is more scary for a woman to walk some poorly illuminated city street late at night than it is for a man. So nah, “these figures may not be true” does not negate “this trend does exist”
Comment on women
Tattorack@lemmy.world 1 day ago
We don’t know the actual statistics of what percentage of violent crimes and sexual assaults are committed by women. A lot of woman on man crime (domestic abuse, sexual assault) largely goes unreported when it happens, and hardly ever gets taken seriously when it does.
So long as that is still an issue, that there exists some idea that only men do these things, or mostly do these things, or even get falsely accused of doing these things while being a victim, the statistics cannot be trusted.
Feel free to downvote if it makes you feel righteous, or on “the winning side”.
Shanmugha@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Tattorack@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I question whether that fear is based on something real or just the idea that it would happen. That same idea that makes the law harsher against men committing crimes than women.
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 hours ago
I mean, I don’t believe it’s typically the law that makes things harsher, it’s gender bias in juries.
Tattorack@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
I guess that depends on how your laws and courts function. Other countries don’t have juries like America does.
Shanmugha@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Oh, so women do not get raped?
jali67@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
It is scary for anyone to walk around at night, as a man who has been robbed at gunpoint. Obviously women have worries like rape that’s more common. I think men are generally less hesitant to be violent towards other men.
Shanmugha@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Yup, I implied rape. Men usually do not worry about getting raped while going home late
osanna@lemmy.vg 21 hours ago
Men can’t be raped or domestically abused apparently :/
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 1 day ago
A lot of woman on man crime (domestic abuse, sexual assault) largely goes unreported when it happens
A lot of man-on-woman crime and man-on-man crime largely goes unreported when it happens, too, so that’s a wash, isn’t it?
Do you think woman-on-man crime is unreported more frequently for some reason?
Feel free to down vote this post if it makes you feel anything, really. Nobody cares.
Tattorack@lemmy.world 1 day ago
… for some reason
“For some reason”
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
“For some reason”
Yes! That reason is the rub. It’s a quandary.
Claims alone aren’t very convincing, men are all sorts of people and they’re not all a monolith of supposed masculinity.
See? I’ve even lofted you a slowball.
BigDiction@lemmy.world 1 day ago
If men didn’t “mostly do these things” the meme you’re replying to wouldn’t exist.
Feel free to downvote me if you’ve haven’t enjoyed a sandwich from Arby’s in the last 30 days.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Plenty of women don’t report crimes against them. I think it would be fair to assume that reporting crimes against men in an attempt to sway these numbers probably would’t change much or might even swing them further in women’s favor.
Ostrakon@lemmy.world 1 day ago
By definition you do not have the data for this argument to be credible.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Sexual assaults on women not reported
womenfamilies.org/why-most-sexual-assaults-are-no…
Domestic abuse goes unreported by women
www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-08/…/100035002
Ergo, if we dig into the data and a) women underreport more crimes against them, or b) everyone’s crimes go underreported and the ratio remains the same.
I’m far more inclined to think more crimes go unreported against women because men tend to be the aggressors far more often.
And I have to add the caveat that I am NOT trying to detract from crimes against men AT ALL during this discussion.
TheDoozer@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Neither of those articles supports what you are saying. The first one, about sexual assault, says in big, bold letters that men are less likely to report sexual assault. The argument was not that more violence is committed against men (sexual assaults at the very least are obviously not), it’s that men are less likely to report it when it happens, which is exactly what your article said. It also said women under-report. But just because women also under-report doesn’t mean they under-report at a higher rate than men.
Ostrakon@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
I’m not disputing the idea that violence against women gets underreported. I am saying that there is a lack of data here by definition and it is therefore impossible to guess how much one gender or the other is underreported relative to each other. If you want to quantify things, you need data instead of a feeling. You linking these two articles strikes me as you googling whatever you could find that parrots back a conclusion you already had in your head.
The fact that you repeat your conclusion despite not having evidence to back it up is a sign that you might be falling victim to confirmation bias. You should maybe spend a little more time examining whether or not your worldview has you jumping to conclusions in the absence of data.
I don’t know and have no way of knowing which gender underreports abuse more, and the nature of underreporting makes it tough to trust any data on this topic without digging into how it gets collected.
I would posit that, generally speaking, women are generally less capable of harm that would necessitate calling the cops on your partner. Yes this is a generalization, but i think it holds true that men are generally more durable and physically stronger than women, and a lot of times a woman hitting a man is just not going to meet the threshold of that man thinking “oh, violence is being done to me, let me call the police”. However if the same force she is applying were applied to herself, she may get injured or at least be more likely to perceive that force to warrant calling the authorities.
I don’t know how I could prove or disprove that assertion. God knows there’s plenty of anecdotal evidence out there but I’m not aware of many credible studies that talk about woman->man violence.
Tattorack@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Not to sound like a broken record, but the statistics themselves cannot be trusted. So bringing up statistics doesn’t support your argument.
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 1 day ago
It’s also known that plenty of men don’t report sexual assaults by women against them because then they would be seen as weak or “lucky” because “You didn’t get raped, she just wanted to. I wish I were you!”
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 1 day ago
He just said that. Why did you repeat it?
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Because they don’t report the offences against them for different reasons.
Women don’t report crimes because no one will believe them, they’re over exaggerating, or it never happened.
When men don’t report it, it’s because they’re pussies, why didn’t they enjoy it, or belittled by other men because “well you had sex so shut up”.
I didn’t repeat anything they said. I laid out the difference in which the genders may underreport and why.