Your group lost two significant elections to a carnival barker, elections where they had every possible advantage in their favor and you managed to lose to a d-list celebrity. Its time for Democrats to listen to leftists, who have always been right.
Comment on Should this be the year we finally try voting for other candidates?
fizzle@quokk.au 9 hours ago
There’s no other candidate who can win.
Anyone who doesn’t vote for a Democrat candidate is voting for Trump.
K1nsey6@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
fizzle@quokk.au 6 hours ago
Or maybe the dems lost because the left is mucking around fighting among themselves.
If you dont want Trump, vote democrat.
K1nsey6@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Democrats gave us trump because are either inept in governing or they wanted him in office to continue the nations lurch towards fascism
fizzle@quokk.au 4 hours ago
Or maybe its because more people voted for Trump than voted for Democrats. The brutal arithmetic of democracy.
Ryoae@piefed.social 9 hours ago
That’s a pretty flawed way to look at things. So, you’re basically saying, always vote for the other party even if they prop up shitty options like the Democrats have done, right?
No.
You fail to understand that it can work both ways. Vote for other parties, you’re taking away votes from Republicans too. Stop being so narrow-minded.
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 hours ago
No, because the Republicans are all voting for Trump. And they’re trying to split the Democrat vote so Trump wins. Nobody’s splitting the Republican vote. But Republicans are spending a small fortune to astroturf on social media to try to split the Democrat vote. I’m not saying everyone saying as you are is Republican funded — a lot of people are buying into the idea and reposting it for free.
The problem is twofold: One, they think they’re smarter than you and they think you’re their tool. Two, you totally are. (Unless you’re one of the ones at the top pushing it, in which case it’s a similar twofold problem: One, you think you’re smarter than us and you think we’re your tools. Two, a lot of people are falling for it.) I don’t know which one you fit in and I’m not going to assume. I’m just leaving this to help others make up their minds whether or not they wanna get used by the Republicans.
Ryoae@piefed.social 7 hours ago
Baselessness.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Assuming you’re not just a troll or Russian plant.
It IS flawed. But it’s also REQUIRED. we have a first past the post voting system. Only one of two parties can win. So you never vote FOR anyone. You vote AGAINST the worst candidate. Voting for third party helps both main parties equally by reducing the bar to win.
Hate it all you like, but that’s just math. You want it to be different? Push for ranked choice.
K1nsey6@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
The easiest way to get around that is to mass vote for a 3rd party candidate, FPTP fixed. Doing things the DNC way has been a total failure.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Well, two things. First, the tea party did exactly that and it didn’t fix first past the post. They just tanked the Republicans, and then melded it into the Republican party the next season.
Second, there are a certain number of Americans that will vote Republican or Democrat because that is what they self-identify as. That number is about 30% of the voting population. So for a third party to be viable, they would have to take all of the independents, and then break some people of their identity.
So is it possible? Yes. Will you ever be able to do it? No. It’s possible the same way winning the lottery is possible. I.e. it feels like a chance to people who are bad at math.
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
I would LOVE to see a massive third party movement that makes more options possible!
I would also love to see the Browns win a Super Bowl.
I agree it’s the superior scenario, but if you vote third party, your being that the Browns are going to win the Super Bowl. Sure, it could be a huge victory, but odds are, you’re going to lose.
fizzle@quokk.au 8 hours ago
Theres not going to be a mass vote for a 3rd party.
Absurdly unrealistic.
You can’t even get a few percent to not vote for an authoritarian felon child rapist.
Ryoae@piefed.social 7 hours ago
Disagree, way to make baseless assumptions. You’re why people don’t want to vote.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
You can disagree all day. Do you have any logic behind that disagreement? Or just a bunch of feels?
fizzle@quokk.au 9 hours ago
No you’re not. Conservatives will vote republican no matter what. You’re never going to vote republican.
The US has a shitty electoral system. Votes for minor parties don’t count. You know Trump is going to manipulate the coming election, Dems need to win big enough that it can’t be stolen.
If you don’t want to live in an authoritarian dystopia, vote Democrat.