Comment on Trans people in Kansas are being ordered to surrender their drivers licenses

• multifariace@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Try to understand that that would be a subjective position I did not address. My only non-objective statement was the prod at their idiocy in my second part mocking their hate. There is no justification for hate of any kind.

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  • fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The “white moderate” position you’re demonstrating is what MLK warned about: someone who agrees injustice is wrong, but insists on finding neutral framings for it. You’re more devoted to appearing objective than to justice. Trans people do not owe anyone a medicalised justification for their existence on a government document. Searching for a “reasonable” angle on a law built on hate doesn’t make you objective, it makes you an obstacle. Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than outright hostility.

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    • dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      even worse, the neutral framing is just wrong, there isn’t a medical reason to treat trans people as their assigned sex rather than their actual sex.

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      • fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        💯💯💯

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    • multifariace@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You completely mischaracterize my point.I’ll try to be clearer. I never assume that a law or tradition is right, correct, fair, or just. I question everything. The presupposition that I would not change or challenge current, new, or past legislation is false. My position is far from neutral, it’s just not based on opposing the percieved enemy as is so common these days. My position is intellectual and caring.

      The position you continue to think I took would be not be intellectual. It presupposes that I believe in conserving the status quo. That is as far from correct as possible. I question everything. The position you continue to think I took would not be caring. It presupposes that I am not considering the harm to individuals. Also, far from correct.

      I question everything, even solutions, because it often happens that by making a change based on one harm has potential to do harm to another. I want to thank dandelion for the amazing post that helps explore the harm than is done by the new law. With the understanding that hate is the only reason such a law would pass, we see that this is only doubling down on harm. That alone would convince me to push for removal of gender from all IDs because they are relics of fundamentalists in power.

      I took a moment to reflect on the possible need for gender as a qualifier for many niche social programs. My conclusion is that it could be a separate form if necessary. Further, these programs are a sad reminder that we do not take care of each other on the grander scale of things which is what would make such qualifiers necssary. But that’s a much bigger tangent to this conversation.

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      • fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You’ve missed the point, again.

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