And the cow often ends up hurt, sometimes permanently. Culling for hip displacement and broken legs is not uncommon.
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cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 3 days ago
OK, so first of all, what they are doing in this picture is checking if the cows are pregnant. I have never seen someone being table to impregnate cows by sticking their arm up their ass.
Second thing you should remember: In nature the bull literally does not fucking care. If a cow is ovulating (bulls and cows are able to detect when this is the case), he will literally try to fuck the specific cow the entire fucking day. IRS not like he fucks the cow once and then its done, we are talking about the bull following the cow the whole day and continuously (trying to) fucking her.
I would argue, that a single small metal rod is less tiring than a horny bull trying to fuck you the whole day.
ikidd@lemmy.world 2 days ago
cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 2 days ago
Thats quite of an exaggeration and this can be counteracted.
It is common, that cows can get hurt by the bull, but these wounds are usually only on the skin (this comes from the bull and other cows continuosly mount a single cow). If the ground however is slippery, it can happen that a cow gets hurt due to slipping when another animal tries to mount her. However counteracting this can be quite easy. Since you as a farmer usually know when a cow is ovulating just put her and the bull in a separate area, that has straw on the ground. At least in germany this is also mandatory (to be exact, its illegal to let the bull walk with the rest of the herd).
ikidd@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Well, we end up with at least a few hobbling around for a couple months, and other that show evidence of long-term damage that we will cull after weaning. That’s from a herd of 334 Angus/Simmental which aren’t a huge phenotype like Charolais, where it’s more common. And pasture breeding is the defacto standard in North America.
So no, it’s not an exaggeration, it’s actual experience.
cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 2 days ago
Thats interesting. My parents have a herd of about 100 Fleckvieh/spotted cattle (Including followers) and I couldnt remember that we ever had a case where a cow had a displaced hip or broken leg, because it has been mounted. We had to cull animals because of broken legs, but those were caused by other accidents.
lalo@discuss.tchncs.de 3 days ago
They are not checking for pregnancy. They are impregnating the cows.
Though the anus they hold the cow’s cervix in order to stick the insemination rod: www.youtube.com/shorts/l6AdaYfgcfk
Getting fisted is better than getting mounted all day? Sure, you’re still gonna exploited throughout your whole life and when they can’t exploit you anymore, killed. But you forgot at least another option besides fisting and getting mounted: not being bred into existence for the sole purpose of being exploited to death.
Why do you care if factory farming is bad?
Jarix@lemmy.world 3 days ago
… Because they have seen it in person and know how different factory farming is to ranching properly?
I assume from reading their comment, I’m just guessing
lalo@discuss.tchncs.de 3 days ago
If they don’t hold the cervix, they’re gonna be poking that insemination rod into the cow’s cervix for a while until it gets to the canal.
cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 2 days ago
After taking a second look you might be right. Its kind of hard to see, due to shitty image quality, but they might have insemination rods.
However, I will not engage in any fundamental discussions about veganism, because its a completely pointless discussion that always ends in throwing shit at each other.
Because I’ve seen it all. I know how bad factory farming can be. I was raised on a farm and therefore I would say, that my knowledge about farming is quite big and I know what farming can look like if its done properly.
lalo@discuss.tchncs.de 2 days ago
Sure, you’ve seen and know how bad it is. You also know how not as bad it can be when done otherwise.
But I’m asking why is it bad? And does it have anything to do with the treatment of the animals?