Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural"

• lalo@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Tomorrow we discover there’s an amount of (what we thought were) human population that is not really human. There’s a vote and all countries decide to classify them as non-human animals, not part of our society anymore and now standard to farm them as food. Woud you classify artificially inseminating this human-simile without consent as rape?

  If yes, what’s the difference between this human-simile and cows that grants considering one being raped and not the other?

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  • remon@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Tomorrow we discover there’s an amount of (what we thought were) human population that is not really human

    Well, it would depend on how good the evidence for that classification is, but I find it quite hard to fathom how that could work out. How can they be a “human population” but than turn out not to be? Either they are humans or they aren’t. We have like taxonomic definitions backed up by DNA data for that.

    But trying to just run with it, I’d say if a population can pass as fellow humans and we only single them out because of a technicality, then I’d probably still consider them human, so I wouldn’t agree with the governments decision. Passing a IRL turing test has to count for something.

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    • lalo@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Ok, now let’s equalize the trait that justifies the difference in treatment between cows and these beings: passing a turing test.

      Say these human-similes are mentally handicapped and have the intellect equivalent of a cow. Would you now verdit as guilty someone who artificially inseminated one of them without consent?

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      • remon@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I think it really depends on what these “human-similes” actually are. Are they just humans with maybe a genetic defect or people affected some environmental poison that causes neurological damage? In that case, they’re still clearly human in my opinion.

        Or are they basically dumb monkeys that just look similar to humans (which of course means, they never were human to begin with, so this no longer fit’s into the premise of the previous comment)?

        I don’t think that “intelligence” is that important of a factor when it comes to deciding which animals you can eat. It’s really about if they are human or not. Like, personally I wouldn’t eat the closely related monkeys, both, because I think they are kind of endangered and it feels a bit weird that they are so closely relate to us. But if there is a way to reasonably/legally eat monkey somewhere and people do it, I won’t condemn them too hard for it.

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