Comment on The U.S. spent $30 billion to ditch textbooks for laptops and tablets: The result is the first generation less cognitively capable than their parents

drmoose@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  No it isn’t. Finland did the same thing and now our schools are fucked up.

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  • Lumisal@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    No, what’s messed up education in Finland is that it’s much, much harder now to fail and hold back a student. The semi-equivalent of the USA’s No Child Left Behind policy.

    Schools here in Finland still use plenty of books, and at least they still teach how to use computers, like typing lessons, unlike the USA.

    Here in Masala they even started teaching classes about detecting AI use, it’s usage in propaganda, and privacy on the internet plus usage of AdBlockers in elementary school. My wife gave the lessons - though she changed it up on the second one after seeing that kids don’t really care about this stuff much unless framed differently, like “you can watch YouTube without ads” rather than “it’s your legal right to not have ads as children” and “Linux has many many free games” for example.

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  • drmoose@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Source?

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    • Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Unfortunately I don’t find that source from YLE’s site. I will try to find it somewhere though.

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• amateurcrastinator@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Nope this conclusion is general everywhere. Replacing textbooks and pen and paper for tablets and digital technology has damaging effects on the learning process. We as a species are not built to learn by clicking and swiping on screens. We learn by touching, feeling and writing on coarse paper. Learning is an incredibly complex process and attempting to simplify it only leads to superficial gains as opposed to real knowledge.

  Now when learning 3d geometry for example, people think that buying a bunch of 3d shapes they can touch and bend and visualize easier is better. But what they don’t realize is the effort to visualize the shape with ones mind’s eye is far better for the learning process even if it takes practice and it is slower.

  This race for immediate results in everything created the impression that learning a few things quickly and applying them without actually understanding their depth is better than slowing things down and building knowledge. But the curve must go up up at all costs!

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  • drmoose@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What a silly naturalist falacy. Were not built by anyone and evolutionary speaking pen writing is not any more special than writing on a digital screen. All of the science here is unconvincing at best and fake bullshit at worst.

    It’s entirely a skill issue.

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    • amateurcrastinator@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It could be a skill issue but if that’s the case I’d argue that introducing digital learning should have been a slower process. Anyway there are countless studies showing the differences between typing and handwriting (like this one: pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11943480/) but I also have a story. Years ago I had a friend who was doing different neurological studies and she measured once the difference in the brain when writing vs typing. She said it was night and day. When writing the brain lit up almost completely, because handwriting engages so many centers for so many motions and memory recall etc. Typing she said looked almost the same as pressing a single button over and over. There wasn’t much engaging of other motions. I found it very interesting. This was years ago before social media, I don’t think smartphones were a thing yet much less tablets.

      I am not saying that there is no place in learning for digital technology. It would be stupid to ignore them. But some things are better learned with pen and paper.

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      • drmoose@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I feel like that’s still an implementation issue not the fact of that “digital is worse” and yeah you’re probably right - the roll out should be better. Using proprietary apple devices and shit by multi trillion budget enterprises (countries) is stupid. The government should task entire governed system with years of preparation and diligent implementation with optimized ebook software and curriculum distribution.

        This is entirely a skill issue not a technology / medium issue.

        Digital is clearly here to stay and superior form of information exchange - it’s literally called IT. To say that we should go back to pen, paper and text books is just pure incompetence. I speak from experience myself as I am a published author but I’m never writing an educational book again when websites exists - physical textbooks are incredibly archaic and should be abandoned entirely and I’ll die on this hill.

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  • tehn00bi@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Why is this getting down voted? This whole thread is fully of techno nerds who seem to be under 30 and grew up in the generation this article is talking about and smoking copium to make themselves feel better for being part of the less capable generation.

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    • m532@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      “But kids dumb” says the lead-brained

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      • tehn00bi@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Bro, I’ve been around quite a few Gen Z adults. A few are solid, but the average, has way more anxiety, struggles to stay off their phone, has difficulty understanding many basic concepts.

        Not saying the generation is lost, but damn are they starting further behind. This is a fairly broad sampling, both high school educated through people with graduate degrees.

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  • Throbbing_banjo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Everyone knows the real problem was moving from clay tablets to papyrus. So unnatural.

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    • amateurcrastinator@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It is not the same thing and you know it but you do you!

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• ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Why do you think other countries did it right? Does the article say that kids in other countries are smarter?

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  • III@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    No, common sense says that.

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    • MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Common sense isn’t real, it’s knowledge we take for granted … when it happens to be correct, which often enough it isn’t.

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• P1nkman@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Norway did the same thing, and have now swapped back to books. I don’t think any other country did it right.

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