Those ones often found better role models or support groups outside the home, such as friends, teachers, etc.
The ones who donât find that have far less opportunity to experience the growth required to break the cycle.
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galaxy_nova@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠agoThis isnât an excuse theyâre just weak. Many have authoritarian fathers or parents and come out vowing to never be like that or support that behavior.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Theyâre the ones who donât.
BurgerBaron@piefed.social â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
I think theyâre born weak too, but both things can be explanations without it being an excuse.
Small town lifer here, the worst children I knew grew up very predictably. IMO, most people donât really change much at all with age.
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
They donât, sadly, and what makes it worse is the endless amounts of religious indoctrination and bullshit media constantly feeding us the narrative that people in general grow and learn over time and become better people, and that sentiment has been internalized at every possible level of society at large, but (as a general rule, nothing is universal) things couldnât be further from the truth.
Iâm glad my Pop is a badass and taught me _how_to think and not what to think.
BurgerBaron@piefed.social â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
I agree with you here of course, quite strongly.
So thatâs the thing I think about a lot. How much influence did he really truly have on you vs you both just happening to be like-minded to begin with? Ties in with my thoughts on free will vs determinism too. My belief in a weak mind being born doomed now comes into this picture. But Iâm one of those annoying compatibilists because my own father has moved slowly from staunch conservative to centrist over time. Maybe only because Iâm his kid, who really knows. Iâm 35 and only just got him to finally admit he was pretending to be Christian to stay with my mother. I always suspected.
Hereâs where Iâm coming from, so the perspective can hopefully makes more sense:
born in a monocultural conservative town 1990 99.5% white people. Seriously I can only remember one black kid in school.
my mother co-founded her own Baptist church.
I wasnât rebellious, and I even attended youth groups and bible camps regularly.
my 2nd earliest memory I can still recall is fucking surreal: In a public elementary school, the principal lead a morning prayer once a week in the morning gym assembly. Everyone. Everyone stood up student/admin/teacher/janitor. Everyone bowed their heads to repeat the principalâs prayer. Except one of my classmates one day, she remained seated. This blew my mind. I sat down with her, and she gave me a wide grin. Who knows why, but this moment was cemented into my skull surrounded by the overwhelming majority and choosing to sit out of their mindless tradition.
I never at any point believed in any gods, nor was I at any point a conservative. How could this be given the environment I was raised in?
I think itâs simply because I was born with innate critical thinking. I also did not believe what anyone not even my own parents when they told me things at face value. The early internet and the library was where I went to see if something I was told was true or not.
~80% of humans are theists, itâs incredibly sad.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Everyone is born weak, what kind of statement is that? Babies are not strong.
Who a person becomes as an adult is a product of their development throughout their formative years. There are many factors in that, so itâs far more complex than simple linear correlations, but overall having a shitty upbringing deeply contributes to a personâs likelihood of turning out shitty.
The cycle breakers who overcome it do in spite of it all, and are the exceptions rather than the rule. They also likely found support in other areas of their life whether thatâs through friends, councilors, mentors, therapists, teachers, or what have you.
But someone who found none of those refuges would have extreme difficulty overcoming patterns ingrained through upwards of two decades of narcissistic abuse and emotional neglect starting from infancy.
Itâs not because they were âborn flawed,â and thatâs a very problematic assumption. Itâs also essentialist, so not very post-modern of you.
BurgerBaron@piefed.social â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
I donât debate those who lead and end with insults.