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• LeninWeave@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Explain to me, how are you not a proponent of genocide if you want to eliminate a nation?

  Telling that you can’t separate a nation that was founded as a settler colony less than 80 years ago from its entire population.

  So, it’s not about “Israelis vs Palestinians”, or wider, “Israelis vs Arabs”. It’s just literally about the establishment of Israel as a nation? That’s it?

  It’s about colonialism, which is exactly “Israelis” (colonizers) vs. Palestinians (the native people). Again, people like Ben Gurion and Herzl were extremely open about this.

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  • Alaknar@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Telling that you can’t separate a nation that was founded as a settler colony less than 80 years ago from its entire population.

    Why do you consider Israel to be the settler colony, and not Palestine of both peoples were in the exact same situation 80 years ago? Both were living in the region (and spread out all around the world, with a higher percentage of Israelis than Palestinians “roaming”) for thousands of years, both nations were established at the exact same time with the exact same resolution. How is only one of them a “settler colony”?

    It’s about colonialism, which is exactly “Israelis” (colonizers) vs. Palestinians (the native people)

    Again, this is only true if you either ignore all the archaeological and historical evidence we have, or are a fundamentalist extremist who’s calling for a genocide. Which are you?

    colonialism is genocidal.

    That’s not how words work, mate.

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    • LeninWeave@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      “Israel” is a colony because it was founded by European settlers who OPENLY proclaimed that fact. They gladly and openly bragged that they were displacing and massacring the native Palestinians. All your bullshit about “Israelis” “roaming” is historical revisionism meant to justify the Nakba, which is a genocide.

      Settler colonialism requires the displacement and elimination of at least the vast majority of the native population to succeed, it is genocidal by nature. You are a genocide supporter and a genocide denier.

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• BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Explain to me, how are you not a proponent of genocide if you want to eliminate a nation?

  So anyone who supported the end of Rhodesia or apartheid South Africa was pro genocide.

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  • Alaknar@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Which countries have partitioned and taken over the land of Rhodesia and South Africa? You can show me on the map.

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    • LeninWeave@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Which countries have partitioned and taken over the land of Rhodesia

      Zimbabwe.

      and South Africa?

      Post-apartheid South Africa.

      You can show me on the map.

      A map highlighting the two countries mentioned above.

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      • Alaknar@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        I’m sorry, are you a disabled person? Or did you forget the point you guys were trying to make?

        Rhodesia changed its government and name.

        South Africa changed its government.

        No third parties partitioned the lands of either.

        Your examples are advocating for my approach of punishing the leadership and giving the people a fresh start.

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    • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Imagine trying to argue that Rhodesia still exists and expecting anyone to take you seriously

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      • Alaknar@sopuli.xyz ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Are you saying that Aliens stole it and placed Zimbabwe in its place…?

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