Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem

• LeninWeave@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The ability to recognize the genocide in Gaza as a genocide is very much there

  Only while saying the people resisting it are also wrong and doing Holocaust exceptionalism in defense of liberal zionists, lmao.

  And now let’s go back to the original zionist accusations. The original comment was removed because of the last part of it, which said “Providing material support to Israel is no different from providing material support to Nazi Germany”. As much as people don’t want to see it, the situation in Gaza is actually different than the situation in Nazi Germany. The Jewish population in Nazi Germany never launched rockets at Germans, in fact, jewish people in Nazi Germany were exceptionally peaceful. In Gaza, there is genocide happening, there is a power differential, and Palestinians need to fight back, but there is simply no rational denying that it’s not the same as the genocide in Nazi Germany.

  The original comment was good and correct. Supporting one settler state committing genocide is actually the same as supporting another.

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  • Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Only while saying the people resisting it are also wrong

    I’ve never said that the people resisting their genocide were wrong to do it. You’re intentionally misinterpreting what I’m saying.

    The original comment was good and correct

    I don’t disagree with you, that’s why I tried to explain the nuance, but apparently I failed, I’m sorry about that.

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    • LeninWeave@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’ve never said that the people resisting their genocide were wrong to do it. You’re intentionally misinterpreting what I’m saying.

      No, I’m really not. You’re all over this thread repeating hasbara lies about Hamas and misrepresenting the history of “Israel” in comparison to the history of the Holocaust (you correctly include the Warsaw Ghetto in the Holocaust but appear to think the Nakba isn’t relevant).

      You might actually have convinced yourself that this is principled and nuanced anti-zionism, but it’s not. You are being a zionist and I urge you to reconsider your positions on this.

      I don’t disagree with you, that’s why I tried to explain the nuance, but apparently I failed, I’m sorry about that.

      You didn’t fail to explain what you mean, I understood that. Where you failed is that you are, knowingly or unknowingly, manufacturing nuance that does not exist.

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• TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Look at the response in context of Feddit. Its not a critique of you, per se, its a critique of the German law/ idealogical approach. Lets suggest, in your words, a full “national socialist” genocide is at least possible in this day and age. The world did no know the full extent of Germany’s action until well into the process.

  If we rely on the logic of the German approach, we wouldn’t be able to call the thing a thing until its too late. The point being made is that if you wait long enough to be able to a full historical analysis, you’ve effectively become an apologist for genocide on the basis of a lack of evidence.

  And I would argue that Israels actions over the previous 80 years are extremely comparable to what the National Socialists did in Germany, and in some ways, even more disgusting. Germany ran concentration camps for around 12 years. Israel has been running them for almost 80. Germany treated it as a war of extermination. Israel is running it as a war of extermination.

  The only difference is that we have the opportunity to stop Israel in its tracks, now, as its becomes clear the Israelies are not going to stop until the entire Palestinian population is eliminated. Disallowing or diminishing comparisons between the most famous historical genocide and the ongoing Israeli genocide in Palestine supports genocide

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  • Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The thing is called a thing and should be called a thing. I.e. genocide. All genocide needs to be stopped at almost any cost. I don’t have any capacity to argue further, so many people are saying things.

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    • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The thing is called a thing and should be called a thing.

      Ok. Well thats not what you are doing and its not what German law or Feddit is doing. People are trying to call a thing a thing, and are getting push back saying “You can’t call this thing that thing”

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      • Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        You again ignore that the “thing” I talk about is a “genocide”, which is what is happening, and it is one of the worst things humans can do to each other and needs to be stopped at all costs.

        You insist on not understanding, I’m done.

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