Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem

Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

• Diva@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

  Zionists are not on the left

  Death to America

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• Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Can you elaborate on how I’m doing “ragebait” or posting “commubicatuon destroying comments and got’chas?” I oppose Zionism, I think that’s fairly clear.

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  • LeninWeave@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You are literally the most reasonable communicator on the fediverse, lmao.

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    • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Thanks! What’s funny is I’ve seen these “edit responses” before, people don’t expect to be questioned on statements they make about others by the people in question, I suppose.

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      • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        It’s pretty gross behavior.

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• mrdown@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  If you allow people defending a supermasist ideology like zionism than you are a zionist bar simple as that

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• thirdworldistWMD@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Ask yourself why they would want to separate the left

  Oh, i’m sorry, zionists are leftists now?

  Zionism is a settler-colonial ideology which its goal is establishing the state of Israel on the Palestinian’s occupied land.

  “If I were an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? […] They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that?” — David Ben-Gurion

  “You are being invited to help make history. It doesn’t involve Africa, but a piece of Asia Minor; not Englishmen but Jews… How, then, do I happen to turn to you since this is an out-of-the-way matter for you? How indeed? Because it is something colonial.” — Theodore Herzl draft to Cecil Rhodes

  Zionism (the belief that Israel has a right to exist) is fundamentally incompatible with leftism. Fighting with zionists isn’t left-wing infighting, it’s punching right.

  and who benefits from that.

  Leftists do. movements do not need zionist liberals muddying and diluting it until it’s meaningless.

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• mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Defending pissrael is zionism. Anything short of “Death to pissrael” is zionism. Sorry I don’t make the rules, I merely enforce them.

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  • LeninWeave@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The soyjack “I was just following orders” vs the chad

    Sorry I don’t make the rules, I merely enforce them.

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    • mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      cops under a DotB vs cops under a DotP

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• LeninWeave@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Notice how the criticisms are based on a fundamental lie: that feddit.org is a zionist instance. Without that lie all of the agitators “arguments” crumble to the sad leftist-dividing dust that they are.

  “They’re not zionist, they just defend Israel’s right to exist.”

  They are zionists and so are you. Death to “Israel” and death to the Federal Republic of Germany.

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• AmazingWizard@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  You’re not a leftist.

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• TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Notice how the criticisms are based on a fundamental lie: that feddit.org is a zionist instance.

  Well, I think this is where the “Nazi Bar” metaphor comes into play. I think its defensible for db0 to clearly say, and they had a debate, provided evidence, etc…, that feddit.org clearly has a Zionist problem. We could argue with their process, evidence etc… but we can’t disagree that they did have a process, provided evidence, etc…

  Calling for death to nations (and their civilians) is a call for genocide. I hope non-extremists can see that.

  I mean isn’t that the point? Feddit is turning a blind eye to this when it comes from a specific, narrow ideological group. The argument being made is that Feddit is either defending or turning a blind eye to one specific group of people who are ideological advocates for genocide because they do it on behalf of Israel.

  And to be clear and I’ve said this elsewhere. I don’t think you leave a Nazi (in this metaphor, Zionists) bar to the Nazis. If you find out that a group of Nazi’s walked into the bar you are in, you collect your group of friends at your table, and you walk over and start a fight. Don’t give them an inch.

  I think the argument here is that if you don’t want to be known as a instance supporting genocide and fascism, you have some work to do.

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