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Comment on 'It's Possible to jailbreak F-35 like iPhone', Says Dutch State Secretary of Defense Tuinman
TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 12 hours ago
imagine flying a jailbroken fighter plane that gets an over-the-air update that bricks the controls
cecilkorik@piefed.ca 8 hours ago
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
tbf, that can happen without jailbreaking
DoPeopleLookHere@sh.itjust.works 12 hours ago
Can you elaborate on the Gripen?
BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 11 hours ago
It’s a fighter jet. It’s made in Sweden. It costs about 80% in purchase price and 50% per flight hour compared to the f35. It’s not dependent on constant software updates.
Iconoclast@feddit.uk 10 hours ago
It’s not dependent on constant software updates.
I bet every modern fighter jet is. “Dependent” might not be the best word, but if you can make your existing jet better just by optimizing the software, then of course they should.
I bet the F-35 is objectively better than a Gripen, but it’s way more expensive too. More Gripens might actually be better than fewer F-35s. My understanding is they’re more focused on electronic warfare.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 9 hours ago
Constant software updates is like one of the main features SAAB boasts on it lol
These mainly aren’t actually “engineer changes two lines of code” updates. These are actually more like internal database updates. Every time an F-35 or Gripen is flown, it generates data about itself and I believe also about the other planes it’s up against. This gets synced to other F-35s (or Gripens) for their future missions.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Soup@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Something tells me fighter planes don’t get updates from anything other than a computer plugged directly into them.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 9 hours ago
In production since 2006 and of course they were designing the things earlier than that, so…
Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s like some cars of the late 90’s and early 00’s and you need a computer with an RS-232 port to connect to a multiplexer of some sort that connects to the plane
E.g to get full dealer level access to old Mercedes cars, you’d need one of these:
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RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
That would seem like an awful idea that would be a dangerous security risk to the fighter.
So they probably did it anyway.
FauxLiving@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Well, let me be the one to surprise you and tell you that this is exactly how software and encryption keys are loaded onto the aircraft.
At no time would any combat aircraft have an operating system which even has the capability to receive software updates wirelessly, that would be an incredible vulnerability during wartime.
It requires a specific device that looks like it was made in the 1980s and deletes itself if it is bumped too hard and this device has to be directly connected to NSA controlled infrastructure in order to be loaded with any updates. The resulting material is physically carried by an Airman in the wing’s comm squadron, escorted by at least one other service member from the secure terminal where it was loaded directly to the aircraft. It’s uploaded via internal connections (which may or may not look to be from the 80s) which are accessed by a maintenance hatch on the belly of the plane. Once the hatch is closed, if it is opened again at any point the aircraft will dump all of the key material and the resulting party will have a lot of paperwork and counseling to deal with and some other set of airmen will have to repeat the entire process all over again.
This has to be done for pretty much every flight, the aircraft cannot even start without this package of key materials and software.
It is likely that the Secretary of Defense was referring to their understanding of how this system operates and how they have scientists and engineers and the resources to reverse engineer any components. They have intact and working copies that they can tear apart and none of these systems are magic, they’re just secret and obtaining an intact war plane to reverse engineer is incredibly difficult in normal times. The Dutch have plenty of intact war planes to study.