Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem

• muelltonne@feddit.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Very difficult to say this for sure. Some of the acts we’ve seen are on the same level, frankly. And how could you possibly measure this, objectively? I don’t think this can be argued meaningfully, and so should be removed from your argument.

  I was attacked by people from dbzer0 and called “pro genocide” for saying that, but: There is of course a way to measure and compare violent acts. There is a whole academic field called “Comparative Genocide Studies” which, as you can guess, studies genocides, their differences, how they were committed and is trying to compare them or to categorize them. There are also people doing this from a military point of view studying how wars are fought and so on. That is something you can do - but not here on Lemmy.

  As to the German law: Is that applicable here on Lemmy? Is it up to the mods to interpret German law and apply it?

  Yes? Feddit.org is an austrian/german site and therefore has to operate under local rules. The fediverse is not some lawless cyberspace thing. It has servers running in datacenters and those servers have to account for local laws. It has people funding those servers and those people are people living in their home country have to obey local laws.

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  • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    those people are people living in their home country have to obey local laws.

    You have a moral responsibility to disobey moral injustices, even when, actually, especially when they are codified into law. If you rely on the German standard you have no functional mechanism to communicate that a genocide as as bad as the Holocaust is occurring. Which is obviously ridiculous, and you should disobey that law.

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  • mrdown@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    If you are a coward then just don’t talk at all sbout Gaza and don’t defend zionism

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  • jaschop@awful.systems ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I don’t think we can expect commenter to be as nuanced as an academic specializing in genocides.

    On the legal front, it is to me morally obvious that that comment was pretty measured and deleting it was fucked. If you claim to do a fucked thing for legal reason, I think it’s fair to demand evidence that you are under legal duress. Is there a history of feddit specifically or german fedi sites.in general being hammered for “antisemitic” comments?

    The answer to that would determines how much I am pissed at german authorities for misapplying the law or at feddit admins for being cowards.

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  • crapwittyname@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I think people attacking you as “pro-genocide” is exactly as reasonable as the German standard disallowing comparison of Nazism, which is funny.

    The existence of a field of study which purports to compare genocide doesn’t validate your assertion that Israel is less evil than the third Reich. I still don’t think you can make this point.

    The German law around speech comparing anything to Nazism sounds complex and subtle. I would argue that it’s a matter for the courts to decide, rather than for unqualified moderators to overcomply in advance.

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• Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Very difficult to say this for sure.

  I agree, but the death toll for example is a potential way to measure it. But again, I never said that the genocide in Gaza should happen, in fact I want it to be stopped by almost any means necessary, like not a counter-genocide.

  Is that applicable here on Lemmy?

  I’m not providing any commentary about what should be done, I was just hoping to help people understand that feddit.org is not filled or run by Zionists.

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