Comment on Parents opt kids out of school computers, insisting on pen-and-paper instead
acosmichippo@lemmy.world 8 hours agoalso counterproductive, handwriting is better for retention.
Comment on Parents opt kids out of school computers, insisting on pen-and-paper instead
acosmichippo@lemmy.world 8 hours agoalso counterproductive, handwriting is better for retention.
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 7 hours ago
Handwriting is better for retention if you are good at writing notes. Not everybody can write fast and legibly and still listen to and comprehend the lecture.
acosmichippo@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
are you saying people who are not good at writing notes during a lecture would be good at typing notes during a lecture?
Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 hours ago
Which is why we practice it. Why we teach it.
My son is 12, ADHD (&others) and in special education. His first semester in middle school last year, he smashed his Chromebook, on purpose, to break it. Hes now only allowed to use a computer for state testing. Luckily, he is in small classrooms with the IEP so nearly all his work is on paper. I refuse to sign the permissionfor computer use and the teachers agree and haven’t faught me on it at all.
He recently told me he didn’t know what barbaric meant. Annoyed, realizing we lost the pocket dictionary some time ago, I went to the bookstore and got the best dictionary they had. I also, saw this:
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So I grabbed it. There are lessons and quizzes in it teaching root word definitions. We’ve done a couple lessons now. I have him take notes, writing the word and the definition in his own words, unless it a short definition, then it’s easy. But then, he can use those notes to take the quiz. Ive done this so he can learn to note take. It will only take a few open note quizes to realize the importance of reading them back, and structuring your notes in a way that are useful. It’s all practice, and it needs to start early. My son’s handwriting is shit, absolute garbage. But he’s been writing everything at school since fall of ‘24, and there has been improvement in spelling, legibility and vocabulary, exponentially in the last couple years.
The whole point of writing is to convey a message. If ones writing isn’t legible, it is lost, and this needs to be understood by students. They can adapt to their needs.
I have ADHD also, I worked very hard at my schoolwork, I wasn’t diagnosed until far after I left school. I used short form I made up myself, and just got better at writing main ideas down. The schools… Are so dumbed down today, even in gen ed. These (middle school) teachers are not giving hour lectures expecting these kids to take proper notes. But,that doesn’t mean kids can’t get better with practice.
My son’s writing is garbage, so I have him write more. Being bad at something isn’t an excuse to give up. Being he is in special edu, and I can’t goddamn go to work (I’m so ready to go back to work omg) I spend a lot of energy stuffing as much education I can into him at home in support of the teachers’ efforts.
If an artist is bad a drawing hands, they could, in theory, never draw a hand in their work. OR, they can draw all the goddamn hands until they are satisfied and learned how to do it comfortably. Idk. “They can’t write fast and legibly” is just not an excuse for the average student IMO, because notetaking is a skill that is learned.
foodandart@lemmy.zip 6 hours ago
The fine motor control that comes of handwriting is critical if he likes to tinker or discovers any sort of work/hobby that requires manual dexterity.
Keep pushing on that, also, get a book on how to print like you’re writing the dialogue in a comic book or how to print like an architect making a blueprint. If he can work out the spaes and spacing, he can develop his own legible style in time and move on to a fusion-style cursive with those print shapes… It realy does make a difference in note-taking.
My dad was a design draftsman and taught me how to do that block print that I’d see on blueprints, and I have a super easy to read cursive based on that now.
Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 hours ago
Great tips. I love the Dogman series because it shows kids folks with ADHD can do cool things too. Anytime we can work a special interest in, it is helpful
Maybe as we advance, today we are still at the basics.
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Like, this is what I’m working with. He is in Special Edu, and this is the improvement. It’s terrible, but we continue. Cursive helped me a bit, especially the fusion style you mention. I’m glad I’ve found this book. I have him write (and rewrite) a lot over the years, but I’ve pulled the ideas out my bum honestly. I’m glad this book has structure. We can do 15-20 mins, or a half a lesson, at a time so he doesn’t get overwhelmed and he can feel empowered to write. He spelled generosity right the first go, and hearing him being proud of that was, so cool.
Block printing is a cool skill, I wish I could do it. It’s the step you take after learning to write legibly, how to write beautifully. I’ll be happy to get him in the lines lol thats truly a useful skill your father taught you :)
It’s more important for me (for my son) to understand vocabulary because its a precursor for critical thinking and even emotional regulation. You can’t talk about why youre mad, or how your feeling if you dont have the vocabulary to do so. I’m just sneaking writing and note taking skills into it.
doctordevice@lemmy.ca 5 hours ago
Other conditions exist. I have auditory processing disorder and one part of it is an involuntary disabling of my audio processing when my brain is trying to focus on something, particularly anything else to do with language like note-taking. My ears will “hear” but my brain won’t.
It wasn’t completely debilitating, but it made certain kinds of classes inordinately difficult for me. Discussion based classes were a nightmare for me, and no amount of practice could change how my brain works. So instead I pursued STEM where the notes are math and I could work ahead and tune in if I got stuck.
That being said, handwritten notes are still definitely the way to go in math!
Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 hours ago
I also have auditory processing disorder. It sucks. Why I always liked teachers who wrote on the board as they lectured, I’d even read the chapter from the book instead of listening to the teacher. Thats great you found what worked for you! You found what worked and became successful despite your struggles! That’s resiliency!