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I am close to feeling like we need pitchforks, torches and shovels if this justice system won’t actually do anything

You think we need pitchforks, torches, and shovels? They are armed with guns.

Typing on a forum won’t do anything. Shouting real loud won’t do anything. Protests won’t do anything.

You can’t appeal a horde of psychopaths. Narcissists and sociopaths and psychopaths do not give a shit about you, and they never well. They would happily step over your dead corpse as they climb the Congressional steps to vote that day.

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YeahIgotskills2@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
As an observation, I spent a while in France and I noticed something different about them. They don’t put up with shit from their government. If a law is passed that many disagree with, they just don’t comply. They refused to accept, for example, vehicle clamping. The government passed it anyway, so they started handling out kits to escape them. People distributed them freely and would free any car they saw clamped. They tried to stop them smoking outside cafes. Zero compliance. Maybe it’s a hangover from The Revolution, but I found this attitude heartening.

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- Randomgal@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Easier to disobey when you live in a democracy where your government wont drag you off the street into a concentration camp.
  
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  - Crankenstein@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    That’s just all the more reason to disobey. You can’t live your life in fear. Doing the right thing sometimes requires risk.
    
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    Randomgal@lemmy.ca ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    No. It requires being smart. Sacrificing yourself for nothing. Is the opposite of that.
    
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Felis_Rex@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
I saw my naivete during the George Floyd protests when state police came to my city with blacked out badges and punisher masks.

They are HEAVILY armed.

It’s a nice sentiment for garden tools but you need actual firearms. Regrettably, I’ve yet to go to a major protest since trump has been in office. Somewhat a relief since we know now they are using footage to put protesters in terroist databases. If you aren’t going to protests even partially in black bloc you are ill prepared. If you aren’t arming yourself you are ill equipped.

I hope this ends, yet I have zero faith in peaceful protests to stop a fascist regime. I’m not saying don’t protest, I am explicitly saying that force must be met in kind. When winter ends I anticipate things escalating and heating up a lot more.

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draco_aeneus@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
The pitchforks are a metaphor, obviously.

I’m not sure what point you’re getting at. We shouldn’t try to do anything, because the guilty are too powerful?

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- p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  
  We shouldn’t try to do anything, because the guilty are too powerful?
  
  No. I’m saying we’ve had far too many false hope protests that have wasted decades of time and uncountable resources, and the people in power are literally incapable of the empathy involved to produce results. In fact, the latest craze in right-wing doctrine is calling empathy a weakness, just to make sure any vestiges that still exist within their voters is excised out.
  
  If you want to do something, do something more forceful. These people only care about a few things: not losing their fortunes, and not dying. If you can make them afraid for one of those two things, pursue that.
  
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  - epicthundercat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    They view the poor as expendable toys. I wish citizens would get their shit together and clap back.
    
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  - draco_aeneus@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Your first post read as doomerism to me, but it sounds like quite the opposite actually. We need to organize hard and build something off the back of this horrible state of affairs, right? Maybe something like a general strike until those identified in the documents are behind bars?
    
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    epicthundercat@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I am normally a pretty optimistic person but I need time to mentally work through the traumatic shit I saw in the files for and few days. It was a lot. Absolutely gut wrenching.
    
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