I’m actually cool with projects being sustainable from the start, rather than hyper scaling off private equity funding before gutting features and selling them back at a later date.
Revolt/Stoat not talking about paid options at all on their main page makes me more suspicious, if anything.
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
How… Do you think projects get seed money? Like do you think daddy bezo just appears from thin air to grant people endless wealth to work on major projects?
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
They could’ve just made it donations, or made less of the features require premium.
Stoat and Matrix do fine with that model
qarbone@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Why are we acting like investors are a good thing now? Maybe they don’t want a single revenue source to present undue influence on development. If their revenue is entirely supported by their premium model, if they make a decision bad for the community, money dries up. You think Discord would be doing dumb shit like this, if they weren’t floatinf off investors and whatever Palantir is throwing at them?
Of all the things to complain about, the fact that people can pay to have an animated avatar or screenshare in 4K, a resolution that a super-minority of people even have a monitor that can render, is baffling.
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
y’know, yeah, I’ve been convinced by ye and others, fluxer also feels like it’s not a complete chambles too
sudoer777@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
Having checked a year ago and checking again now, their UX has barely improved and the GUI is still significantly worse than Discord. They need a monetization strategy and leadership that isn’t a shitshow so that they can make something that people will actually want to use.
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/19197183
fishos@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Well lots of ways but immediately adding a paid subscription should be a HUGE RED FLAG. Donations, one time payments, etc are fine. Paywalling features from the get go is bullshit tho. And the fact that discord got away with turning normal features into paid ones for years is insulting and laughable. Using custom emojis being locked behind nitro when fucking MSN messenger has that is a sad example of how far we’ve fallen.
Any replacement candidate that’s just “discord from a few versions ago” can go fuck itself. Discord was a.blightnupon the Internet and it’s downfall should be celebrated, not “hey anyone have a clone of this piece of shit? I want something still shitty, just not this shitty”.
emeralddawn45@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
Someone said above that it’s all open source and if you self host your own server you can access all the premium features for free. That seems pretty reasonable.
fishos@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
That’s good to hear. I’ll have to give it a look as I sort through alternatives. In fairness, I am in favor of a nitro style subscription for HD voice and video and larger attachment file sizes. But all the paid profile customization and emoji use stuff needs to go. We need to no longer accept that anywhere.
I think a lot of digital things, including video games, became much worse with the loss of dedicated servers. It used to be expected that you would rent a server to host your ventrillo/teamspeak server. It used to be much more common to rent a server for your Counter Strike games, or play on someone else’s who did. You’d rent some server space and host your vBulletin forum or hang out on someone elses. We used to be much more self reliant on hosting our communities and now we outsource it to a company that offers it for free and turns us into the product.
You want to not be the product? Self host your services or pay for a service that does it for you, treating you as a customer and not as some free resource to exploit.
And honestly… For fucks sake how did we get to this point where we expect everything online to be free because it’s “just digital”. No. Fuck no. Bandwith and server space and server time costs money. It cost electricity. It costs actual tangible resources that people love to bring up when you’re talking about how evil AI data centers are, but that’s the whole fucking internet! Data centers and cables and all that shit that makes it work. And so many of y’all sit here and act like it should all be free. It’s “free as in speech, not free as in beer”. That’s what we meant. And it got twisted into this abomination we have now…
Yeah I went off on a rant there. Nothing personal to you, person who responded to me. Just went off on a tangent lol. I appreciated you’re telling me it can be self hosted. That’s awesome 👍