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SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

As someone who has been advocating for the use of the federated Matrix protocol for a long, long time now, the proliferation of new, competing options actually is frustrating to me. Technically Matrix is actually already fleshed out very well, has several different clients, and even has Thunderbird support so if you’re already using Thunderbird you don’t even need a separate client.

The beginnings of Matrix go back as far as 2014. I know Matrix has it’s issues, but it’s by far the most secure combined with being able to communicate with large groups of people via federation. There’s definitely slightly more secure options, because they lack federation, but I personally am ambivalent about them because some of them have a kind of crypto-bro feel to the companies behind them and I’m skeptical they won’t go down a path similar to Discord while Matrix on the other hand has been slowly but surely leveraging itself into a position of secure government communications all over Europe. So, to me, Matrix already has a game plan for staying relevant and staying solvent, while things like SimpleX or Stoat I’m just waiting for the other shoe to drop and for the enshittification to begin.

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non_burglar@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

The whole reason everyone moved to Discord was because it was a centralized place and since Discord needed to pay for it’s servers, it had to find a way to finance that, and enshittification naturally happened.

No! Stop perpetuating this “they have bills to pay” bullshit. Discord has more than enough money to run itself and be profitable.

The enshitification happens in services like Discord when shareholders gain control of the product.

bloomberg.com/…/chat-platform-discord-is-said-to-…

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- SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Personal opinion, Discord was already enshittifying before they did an IPO. The IPO just gave them an excuse to speed up the process.
  
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  - non_burglar@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I fully agree.
    
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khorovodoved@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Hello from XMPP. Now you understand how we felt.

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- SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Exactly, this isn’t even a new problem… it just keeps happening.
  
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Grail@multiverse.soulism.net ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I don’t like Matrix because you can’t sort and categorise channels in a server. The most recently messaged in channel is always at the top. That’s not the UX I want, I want to be able to put things in places with intentionality.

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- Kalon@feddit.online ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  That literally has to be a client option. Pick your favorite client with a receptive team and request sorting as a feature.
  
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  - SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Exactly this, that’s a client quirk, probably Element in this case.
    
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  - Grail@multiverse.soulism.net ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    If it’s not supported by the protocol, how is ad admin’s sorting of channels supposed to be pushed to the users in the server? It won’t work, it can’t be a client option. If it has to be a client option and it can’t, then it’s impossible.
    
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    kata1yst@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I don’t understand what you’re trying to say. Matrix is the communication protocol between clients and servers. It can’t dictate how a client displays those communications. It would be like TCP demanding that webpages be laid out a certain way.
    
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    Skullgrid@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    If it’s not supported by the protocol, how is an admin’s sorting of channels supposed to be pushed to the users in the server?
    
    How does my client know to use dark mode without the protocol knowing?!
    
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- pennomi@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Someone just needs to make a discord clone on Matrix, can’t be that hard, right?
  
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  - artyom@piefed.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Already did, it’s called Comet.
    
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artyom@piefed.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

Matrix is actually already fleshed out very well

LOOOOOLOLOLOLOL

it honest has at this point 12 years of development behind it

That’s really not something to be proud of.

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- SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  LOOOOOLOLOLOLOL
  
  Compelling argument.
  
  That’s really not something to be proud of.
  
  I suppose XMPP’s 27 years of development is embarrassing as well?
  
  Or are you just shitposting without any concrete arguments for what you’re saying? I won’t argue well thought out arguments, but this shit is just childish.
  
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  - artyom@piefed.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    I suppose XMPP’s 27 years of development is embarrassing as well?
    
    With the limited time I have spent with XMPP it seems to work much better.
    
    Or are you just shitposting without any concrete arguments for what you’re saying?
    
    Thought it was pretty clear. Matrix sucks. I don’t have “concrete arguments”, just experience. Messages and images that fail to load, encryption failure, devices being marked as unverified randomly so I can’t chat with anyone, messages missing entirely from the feed, device verification failures, I mean the list goes on. On top of all that, it’s slow as hell. It’s a joke.
    
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    SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    Thought it was pretty clear. Matrix sucks.
    
    LOOOOOLOLOLOLOL
    
    I mean I wouldn’t say the original message was clear at all that you as an individual have had bad experiences. There are also people who may have things to say from a development standpoint beyond just “I have personally had bad experiences with it.” So, sorry you had bad experiences, but to be perfectly clear “LOOOOOLOLOLOLOL” doesn’t actually tell anyone anything at all. Thanks, however, for the clarification.
    
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