This is the current flow. All the pain seems to be in setting it up. User join/sign on flow is super easy
Comment on In light of changes coming to discord: Sharkord
Pixel_Jock_17@piefed.ca 3 weeks ago
I’m so happy to see a few alternatives popping up already and I hope to see them fleshed out well.
As someone who’s pretty new to things like FOSS, self hosting, etc. I am hopeful that there will be a release that’s more “idiot proof”.
I have a few friends who aren’t going to spend time trying to learn all the small things needed to set up stuff. Hopefully I’ll be able to set up something and just invite them and they just have to make an account in an app type thing to use. Lol
Corr@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
As someone who has been advocating for the use of the federated Matrix protocol for a long, long time now, the proliferation of new, competing options actually is frustrating to me. Technically Matrix is actually already fleshed out very well, has several different clients, and even has Thunderbird support so if you’re already using Thunderbird you don’t even need a separate client.
The beginnings of Matrix go back as far as 2014. I know Matrix has it’s issues, but it’s by far the most secure combined with being able to communicate with large groups of people via federation. There’s definitely slightly more secure options, because they lack federation, but I personally am ambivalent about them because some of them have a kind of crypto-bro feel to the companies behind them and I’m skeptical they won’t go down a path similar to Discord while Matrix on the other hand has been slowly but surely leveraging itself into a position of secure government communications all over Europe. So, to me, Matrix already has a game plan for staying relevant and staying solvent, while things like SimpleX or Stoat I’m just waiting for the other shoe to drop and for the enshittification to begin.
khorovodoved@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Hello from XMPP. Now you understand how we felt.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Exactly, this isn’t even a new problem… it just keeps happening.
non_burglar@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
No! Stop perpetuating this “they have bills to pay” bullshit. Discord has more than enough money to run itself and be profitable.
The enshitification happens in services like Discord when shareholders gain control of the product.
bloomberg.com/…/chat-platform-discord-is-said-to-…
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Personal opinion, Discord was already enshittifying before they did an IPO. The IPO just gave them an excuse to speed up the process.
non_burglar@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I fully agree.
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 3 weeks ago
I don’t like Matrix because you can’t sort and categorise channels in a server. The most recently messaged in channel is always at the top. That’s not the UX I want, I want to be able to put things in places with intentionality.
Kalon@feddit.online 3 weeks ago
That literally has to be a client option. Pick your favorite client with a receptive team and request sorting as a feature.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Exactly this, that’s a client quirk, probably Element in this case.
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 weeks ago
If it’s not supported by the protocol, how is ad admin’s sorting of channels supposed to be pushed to the users in the server? It won’t work, it can’t be a client option. If it has to be a client option and it can’t, then it’s impossible.
pennomi@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Someone just needs to make a discord clone on Matrix, can’t be that hard, right?
artyom@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Already did, it’s called Comet.
artyom@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
LOOOOOLOLOLOLOL
That’s really not something to be proud of.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Compelling argument.
I suppose XMPP’s 27 years of development is embarrassing as well?
Or are you just shitposting without any concrete arguments for what you’re saying? I won’t argue well thought out arguments, but this shit is just childish.
artyom@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
With the limited time I have spent with XMPP it seems to work much better.
Thought it was pretty clear. Matrix sucks. I don’t have “concrete arguments”, just experience. Messages and images that fail to load, encryption failure, devices being marked as unverified randomly so I can’t chat with anyone, messages missing entirely from the feed, device verification failures, I mean the list goes on. On top of all that, it’s slow as hell. It’s a joke.