I’m in a Discord server with 2000 members. You really want to encrypt and decrypt all incoming and outgoing messages 2000 times? There’s a reason why most E2EE messaging apps don’t really do that for group chats.
why use this over the hundreds of messaging platforms that can be self hosted and have e2ee
x00z@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
aksdb@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Depends on the usecase. If you don’t need chat history for new-joiners, you can work with a single key per group, rotating it whenever someone joins or leaves. Since the server broadcasts a „so-and-so has left/joined“ it might as well include the new key. That key is then used by everyone in the group, so you can still broadcast all messages and don’t have to encrypt them individually.
MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
then you can use matrix
MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
Can you? Can I? Best I understand it’s a world of pain. If there was a clear winner in the discord-a-like OSS race all these alternatives wouldn’t be coming out of the woodwork. Maybe it’s matrix (with an actually good client, proper decentralization, easy containers), maybe stoat, maybe … I’ve always hated discord anyway and have little need currently, I can wait.
GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 3 weeks ago
The problem is that there are very few people who are familiar enough with both Discord and Matrix to give a meaningful answer.
Personally, I use both, but for completely different use cases. I do not understand how one could be used as a substitute for the other. Perhaps I’m missing something, or perhaps everyone who thinks Matrix is a good substitute for Discord just don’t use Discord very much.
If you have a small group of friends who occasionally hang out in chat, sure, Matrix is fine. If you’re in dozens of Discord servers, each with dozens (or even hundreds) of channels, and hundreds or thousands of users, no. At least, not with Element. Perhaps there’s a better client out there for that?
B0rax@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Sure, pick a server (like you did for Lemmy) and register. Choose any of the supported apps and start.
matrix.org/try-matrix/
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
I admit i mostly use matrix as an instant messenger, but it works fine for when i need comms with my friends while gaming or when i want to share my screen for something. Sure it still has some jank to it, but if you look at how janky it used to be even just a year ago, the trajectory is pretty clear to me.
I havent used discord for like 8 years, because i simply dont need all the random features that discord has, but maybe thats just me.
warmaster@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It sucks for gaming.