Comment on Why do they turn Federation into a dystopia?

ValueSubtracted@startrek.website ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

• Kirk@startrek.website ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I’d also like to highlight that the Federation is never described in-universe as a Utopia (the only example that comes to mind is Pelia sarcastically describing Earth specifically as a “no money, socialist utopia”).

  And speaking candidly, since the TOS days the messaging has always kinda been that “Utopia” is about the journey more than the destination.

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  • ValueSubtracted@startrek.website ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Yeah, someone summed it up very well elsewhere in the thread: “utopia” describes an ideal to strive toward, but is inherently unachievable, if only because you will never find two people who have the same utopic vision.

    Unless “utopia” includes some sort of system for forcing everyone to think alike… 🤔

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    • Kirk@startrek.website ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

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• Grail@multiverse.soulism.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  To be fair I also have a problem with the fact the police exist

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  • ValueSubtracted@startrek.website ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I certainly am not a fan of policework as it is currently, commonly conducted, but I have a hard time imagining a society that has laws, but doesn’t have a dedicated system to uphold those laws that involves some kind of police.

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    • WoodScientist@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Police have only existed for about 2% of the history of human civilization, and yet you cannot imagine a future without them. You’ll accept physics-breaking technologies like transporters and warp drives. But a world without cops? That’s a bridge too far.

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      • ValueSubtracted@startrek.website ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        If you can offer a compelling argument about how those other 98% were more fair and just, and can outline exactly what that better system was, I’m all ears.

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    • Grail@multiverse.soulism.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      A neighbourhood watch would be way cooler. Daddy Kirk’s neighbour pulling up next to little Kirk and going “Whatcha doing with dad’s car, kiddo?” would be way more Trek but wouldn’t satisfy JJ’s craving for pointless action sequences.

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      • T156@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        If we want to be way more Trek, going by all the times that the shuttles got stolen, it should instead have been a scene of his stepfather going “my car!” upon seeing an empty, open garage, and then doing basically nothing about it.

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      • ValueSubtracted@startrek.website ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        It’s an interesting idea, but it also tiptoes right up to the line of “neighbours spying on each other on behalf of the state” - not great!

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  • justOnePersistentKbinPlease@fedia.io ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    You realize that for millenia, philosophers fantasized about the concept of a police force that existed just to enforce laws, and not just be military guards?

    The issue is not the concept of police. It is the leadership and the police unions.

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  • otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Preach it, citizen.

    … Oh. You meant in Star Trek.

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    • Grail@multiverse.soulism.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Both is good

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