Comment on Starting to think affluenza might be a real thing.

PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

• queermunist@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  So what if it is?

  It doesn’t change the fact that they need to be involuntarily committed for rehabilitation and have their assets seized. For their health.

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  • PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Affluenza is a capitalist framing. We don’t need to capitulate to capitalist framings (not even the tiniest amount) to say that the capitalists need to have their assets seized and be involuntarily committed for rehabilitation 🙂.

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    • queermunist@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      The “monster” framing precludes the idea that they even can be rehabilitated. Monsters don’t get healing, they just need to be put away or executed. That’s still an improvement over letting them run rampant, but it’s a waste.

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      • PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        The “monster” framing precludes the idea that they even can be rehabilitated.

        Maybe this makes me a bad anarchist, but it truly feels like capitalists are monsters that can’t be rehabilitated. Like I really want to believe that everyone can be rehabilitated with enough help, but can we really rehabilitate the few thousand people who are like Epstein in finite time?

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• JasonDJ@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Think less illness and more…idk…corruption of the mind?

  Like we all know power corrupts people. But absolute power, extreme wealth? There’s gotta be an underlying spiral of mental health that allows these people to continue to function, and left unchecked leads to…well, extreme, unimaginable corruption.

  I find it hard to believe a bunch of pedophiles became the richest and most powerful people in the world. I find it much easier to believe a bunch of the richest and most powerful people in the world became pedophiles.

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  • PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Think less illness and more…idk…corruption of the mind?

    Yeah I’m with you, but I really think it’s crucial to make a distinction between framing it as an illness vs framing it as the logical conclusion of the capitalist mindset, for which we have thousands of pages of prior analysis to understand.

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    • JasonDJ@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Por que no los dos?

      I edited my parent to you to elaborate more on my train of thought.

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  • TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I think it’s less “power makes people unethical” and more “only unethical people get to be rich/powerful”. Correlation != causation

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    • JasonDJ@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I think an underlying personality disorder is a prerequisite, sure.

      But does that mean that even somewhat self-made billionaires did not always start with good intentions?

      I think the Steves…Jobs and Woz…are a good pair to look at for the kind of example in talking about. They had equal opportunities. In an alternate universe, Jobs could have ended up like Woz. Or Woz could have ended up like Jobs.

      There’s an underlying catalyst that gets triggered and fed and allowed to grow. It starts as an untreated personality disorder…you mix that with money/power and a circle of yes-men and that’s a recipe for disaster.

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      • TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Respectfully, I must disagree. Even those two you mentioned could have not got to being a billionaire in the first place without exploiting people via capitalism, and certainly could not have retained the money (rather than spending it on good causes and compensating workers fairly) while still being a good person. It is a filter for the most selfish kind of person.

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• MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown@fedia.io ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  ₽$¥€opathy?

  Yeah, I know it’s an “E”uro, but it’s C-ish shaped. And using a sub denomination didn’t make ¢ents in context.

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  • PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I mean there are psychopaths out there who don’t do heinous things like these people. Like it would literally be ableist IMO to tar all psychopaths with the same brush as Epstein and company.

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• rayyy@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  That’s a definite, yes and no. People who gather around successful malignant narcissists, and profit from it, gradually assume those tenancies.

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