Comment on Rent is theft

• thenextguy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Coop housing is for chickens.

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  • zedgeist@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    This is undeniable.

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• zewm@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

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  I can’t stand other people, let alone have to share my home with one. Hard pass on coop.

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  • 5715@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    k, American, what if I tell you that cooperative can also consist of SFH built by said cooperative? I get it, other people are hard, but landlords are worse then having a say in what gets built for you.

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  • grue@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Nobody should give a fuck what people like you want, and I’ll tell you why:

    The real problem in America is that people think they’re entitled to a detached single-family house so they don’t have to “share,” and politicians indulge that selfishness by making exclusionary zoning laws that attempt to force an oversupply of single-family homes, but actually just create a shortage of every other type of housing.

    This fails in two ways:

    First, it does not result in everyone who wants one getting to own a single-family house, because even though they’re oversupplied compared to other housing types, they’re still scarce in places people actually want to live because the land they sit on is itself scarce.

    Second, it drives up costs for everyone, from renters, to homeowners of expensive houses in inner suburbs, to owners of cheaper houses in the exurbs who “drove till they qualified” and now have extreme commuting costs, to everybody who has poor quality of live due to car-dependency. To add insult to injury, it fuels speculative bubbles because prices are so high normal people can’t afford to participate in the market anymore, so it creates an opportunity for exploitation by investors instead.

    So yeah: you’re welcome to dislike dense housing all you want, but unless you’re prepared to actually pay for a single-family house – without being subsidized by exclusionary zoning, meaning that you’d be fairly competing on the open market with developers who would put the land to a higher and better use – you just have to fuckin’ deal with it anyway. You "are not entitled* to have your selfish wishes enforced government policy at everyone else’s expense.

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• Lumisal@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  How strongly would you believe that if all your housemates were MAGA, AI Startup CEO, and an ICE member?

  If you say they wouldn’t be, then you’ve identified the limitation of the proposed solution.

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  • zedgeist@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    It seems unlikely anyone would be all three, as you propose, but as long as the housing policies are democratic based on who lives in the building, I’m not sure how their political beliefs apply.

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    • Lumisal@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Well I the CE agent by default is probably Maga, but I was talking about 3 separate people.

      As for not understanding how their political beliefs would apply… You must either be a white American or incredibly naive.

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