Comment on Would the United States actually risk a Tiananmen Square incident?

• Sanctus@anarchist.nexus ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Yes

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• Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Yes, there’s a chance he’d still be alive today if he did so.

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  • the_mighty_kracken@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    There’s a chance he would have died in a hail of gunfire, and probably gotten a lot of innocent bystanders killed as well, and a certainty that if he had survived, he would have gone to jail for the rest of his life. I don’t know what the solution is to the problems my country is facing right now, but I know for a fact that what you’re suggesting is not the solution.

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    • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      There’s a chance he would have died in a hail of gunfire,

      He did die in a hail of gunfire.

      and probably gotten a lot of innocent bystanders killed as well,

      Do you support complete disarmament of the police and military? Or is it only with non-state actors that this concern about missed shots outweighs everything else?

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      • Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Certainly complete disarmament of ICE. Their job is investigation misdemeanors. There’s fuck all reason for them to be armed at all.

        You don’t need a gun to investigate paperwork issues.

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    • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      The solution is working class organizing, with well-trained and disciplined people’s millitias. Pacifism gets people killed, as does adventurism. The only way out of the death spiral is revolution.

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• Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I’m suggesting that if it were me, and I was gonna go down either way, I’d rather die knowing that I helped rid the world of at least one of those rat bastards.

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  • tate@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Pretti’s death may have turned the tide. If he had fired his weapon or even unholstered it, that would not be true.

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  • the_mighty_kracken@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I see we’ve got a badass on our hands.

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    • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      No? I am under no illusions that I can stop the fascists from killing me if they want to. If five armed men kick down my door, I’m not stopping them. But I might be able to take one of them down, if I get lucky. That is, you know, how guns work. It doesn’t take badassery to pull a trigger.

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