Comment on The TV industry finally concedes that the future may not be in 8K

panda_abyss@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  There’s barely any actual 4K content you can consume.

  Honestly a little surprised the IMAX guys didn’t start churning out 4k+ content given that they’ve been in the business forever.

  But I guess “IMAX in your living room” isn’t as sexy when the screen is 60" rather than 60’

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  • jqubed@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You don’t even need IMAX for 4K; ordinary 35mm film can normal scan to a nice 4K video. Films shot on the 65mm IMAX cameras would probably make good 8K content, but most of that was educational films, not what most people apparently want to watch all the time.

    The digital IMAX projections were actually a step backwards in resolution.

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    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Films shot on the 65mm IMAX cameras would probably make good 8K content, but most of that was educational films, not what most people apparently want to watch all the time.

      Sure. But the cameras exist. You can use them for other stuff.

      Hateful Eight was filmed in 70mm, and while it wasn’t Tarantino’s best work it certainly looked nice.

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      • ohulancutash@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        65mm is a gulf from 15/65 though. Much harder to shoot in IMAX format.

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    • cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      IMAX film is equivalent to 12K. Their digital laser projectors are only 4K.

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    • AniZaeger@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Films shot on the 65mm IMAX cameras would probably make good 8K content

      So there’s still hope that they might release The Last Buffalo in 8k 3D sometime in the future? Got it. :)

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    • hcbxzz@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      IMAX is a mess. They can’t even figure out a consistent aspect ratio, so most of the content shot on IMAX is cropped after delivery.

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  • queermunist@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    They don’t want IMAX in your living room, they want IMAX in the IMAX theater, where you pay a premium for their service.

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  • worhui@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    IMAX is 4K or less content. Its edge is special projection that can look good and brighter on huge screens.

    Only imax film prints are significantly better than anything else

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• givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  People really need to understand a lot of what “smart” TVs do is upscale the “4k” signal to something actually resembling real 4k.

  Like how some 4k torrents are 3GB, and then a 1080p of the same movie is 20gb.

  It’s “worse” resolution, but it looks miles better because it’s upscaling real 1080 to 4k instead of taking existing shitty 4k and trying to make it look better without just juicing the resolution.

  So we don’t need 8k.content for 8k.tvs to be an incentive. We need real 4k media, then 8ks TV would show a real improvement.

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  • Chronographs@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah, you’re talking about bitrate. A lot of the 4k content is encoded using more efficient codecs, but if it’s sourced from the streaming services the bitrate is so abysmal it’s usually a tossup between the 1080p or 4k stream. At least the 4k usually has hdr these days which is appreciable.

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    • webhead@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah most of the time I don’t give a fuck about 4k. It’s HDR I’m after.

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  • bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah. A 1080p Bluray clocks in around 20GB. A 4K bluray is 60-80GB.

    If you’re downloading something smaller it’s probably lower quality

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• bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  There’s barely any actual 4K content you can consume

  I feel like that’s not true. But you’ve gotta try. If you’re streaming it, chances are it’s not really any better. 4K Bluray (or reps of them…) though? Yeah it’s good. And since film actually has 8K+ resolution old movies can be rescanned into high resolution if the original film exists.

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  • kogasa@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You’re probably aware of this since you mentioned bitrate, but a lot of 4K streaming services use bitrates that are too low to capture much more detail at 4K compared to a lower resolution. A lot of games will recommend/effectively require upscaling (DLSS/FSR/XeSS) to achieve good performance at 4K. All of this is still maybe better than 1440p, but it shows 4K is still kind of hard to support

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    • applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I wish they didn’t feel the need to fake it with upscaling. In my experience upscaling looks like shit every time, whether it’s a video or game. Most of the time a good 1080p video with good bit rate will look way better than a 4k upscale.

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      • kogasa@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        For video, bitrate is definitely king. 4K high bitrate just gets insanely large. I opt for 1080p bluray quality when available over 4K usually. I looked into AI upscaling for video recently and it can be pretty good, but it’s a technology that changes fast so I’d rather store the original resolution and upscale in real time later (if at all).

        For games, I find even FSR2 upscaling from 1440p to 2160p is excellent as long as it’s implemented properly (i.e. scaling the 3D world and not the UI), and FSR3/4 even better.

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    • dreamkeeper@literature.cafe ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Witcher 3 is the bane of my existence at 4K. Even with DLSS it runs like ass on my 5070 ti.

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  • CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Not true on paper but true in practice. Most people don’t buy/use Blurays (or any other physical media) anymore to the point that retailers aren’t even bothering to stock them on the shelves these days. Their days are certainly numbered and then all we’ll be left with is low quality 4k streaming.

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• Asmodeus_Krang@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’ve got a nice 4k mini LED tv with a 4k Blu-ray player and there’s plenty of excellent 4k content but it’s a niche market because most people aren’t using physical media for movies. 4k streaming is garbage compared to UHD Blu-ray.

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  • khannie@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Preach. I got gifted a 4k bluray player and was absolutely blown away by how good it looks compared to streaming.

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  • VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Which makes sense because even 1080p streaming is garbage compared to blu-ray.

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• mlg@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  There’s barely any actual 4K content you can consume.

  Ironically there actually is if you bother pirating content because that’s the only crowd that will share full 4k Dolby Vision + Dolby Atmos/DTS-X BluRay rips.

  Aside from that though, even 4k gaming is a struggle because GPU vendors went into the deep end of frame generation, which also coincidentally is the same mistake lots of TV OEMs already made.

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• nuko147@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  There is a lot 4K to consume now. That was the reality 5 years ago (even 4K exists more than 10). I would say 4K is becoming slowly the new FHD, but very very slowly.

  The problem is that there is a lot low quality 4K, because of bandwidth, size etc.

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  • panda_abyss@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I feel like most streaming platforms plan lock it and still compress it to crap though. 

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