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• CosmicTurtle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Eh…

  This might work at a micro, local scale. But it does not work nationally or even regionally.

  One side is rabidly homicidal, public stating they’ll kill people who are different from them.

  You simply can’t love these people to death. Because they will continue to kill while you reason with them.

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  • Steve@communick.news ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You simply can’t love these people to death. Because they will continue to kill while you reason with them.

    First. We’re talking about bigots, not murders. Those are two separate groups. It’s prejudicial to assume all bigots are murders.

    Second. You can’t “reason” with them, because their position isn’t based on reason, but emotion. You simply be kind to them. Be their friend. Show them that X aren’t all the bad things they imagine.

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    • dmonzel@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s prejudicial to assume all bigots are murders.

      What do bigots want to have happen to the people they hate?

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      • Eylrid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        As someone who grew up in a conservative family in a religious town and is now liberal, there is a wide spectrum of bigots. Some of them would happily enact halocaust 2, and some of them just get nervous when they see a black person on the street at night. I have a number of family members that fall in that later category.

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      • Steve@communick.news ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        That depends on the bigot. Some simply don’t want to associate with __________.
        Some want __________ to live in separate places.
        Some want __________ to learn to not be __________.
        And many who may want __________ to die, don’t want to be the ones who actually do the killing themselves.

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• dojan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Absolutely. Go tell all those gay and trans people that they should’ve showed their murderers more compassion.

  I’m not saying that what you suggest is impossible, but it’s idealistic and naïve.

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  • Steve@communick.news ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Being a murder is different than being a bigot.

    I would bet the vast majority of bigots, have never killed anyone.

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    • teuast@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      But a whole lot of them would vote for somebody who has.

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      • Steve@communick.news ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Perhaps. But that still wouldn’t make them killers.

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    • Honytawk@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I would bet with many the only reason none of them have killed someone is because they would get in trouble with the law, not because they are morally against it.

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      • Steve@communick.news ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        That could be possible.

        Though going to a time and place where the target group were so “othered” (is that a word) as to not even be human, that removes more mental barriers than simply the law.

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• militaryintelligence@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Appeasement. That always works.

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  • Steve@communick.news ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’m not talking about appeasement.

    You don’t have to agree with someone or do what they want, to not shun them. Have you never disagreed with a friend? Did you read the article I linked to?

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    • Doug@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You’re getting downvoted because you seem to be falling to understand that that guy is exceptional in that he is an exception, not the norm.

      You realize it wasn’t that long ago that black people were hanged for as little as looking at a white person the wrong way at times, yes?

      Being super nice isn’t a reliable way to accomplish what he has.

      Even if it is it’s not an option for everyone. A white guy acting like this towards a KKK member isn’t going to accomplish this. A Hispanic guy doing it is unlikely to change a racist’s opinion on black people.

      Your statements come off as Elon Musk telling people to work hard to be rich because it’s happened before.

      It may be a useful tool, but one guy, or even a handful of them, does not prove it’s the “best way”.

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      • Steve@communick.news ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        The first is always an exception.

        I never said being super nice was the fix. Being a friend is. It’s hard to be bigoted against a group, when one of that group is a good friend. But yes anyone outside the targeted group, won’t be able to have quite the same effect. Those outside the group can be helpful though. If a trusted friend points out your short comings, you’re more likely to second guess them, or at least not take them as far as you might otherwise.

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• pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I am going to pray nobody takes this idiot seriously

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  • Steve@communick.news ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Ad hominem

    It would be more effective to explain how I’m wrong. But if you can’t right now, I understand. My comments will still be here tomorrow.

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    • Cabrio@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Disingenuous

      You don’t seem to be in a state of mind for willing absorbtion of information.

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      • Steve@communick.news ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Projection

        You never offered any information. What evidence suggests I’m not open to it?

        In face the closest thing to an argument against the idea that anyone made, is that it doesn’t scale well. Which is of course true. But this is about the morality of ways to deal with bigots, not the practically.

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• Sharkwellington@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It’s not a contract, because the parties involved didn’t all get a chance to agree to it before hand.

  Everyone gets automatic entry and can leave any time they want. If they decide they don’t agree to it there’s nothing keeping them from shrugging off the good graces of society. I think that’s pretty fair.

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  • Droechai@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I was in a very bad spot once and one part of it was due to the so called social contract and the demands it put on me as an individual but when I tried to exit the contract I got forced in ward psychiatric care which kind of negates your argument of there being a choice.

    Now a days I still have some issues with the social contract but have other things to live for and have managed to come to terms on how to live with it.

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• Aiastarei@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Acshually the social contract isn’t a thing because I didn’t get to review and sign it

  Bruh

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• AngrilyEatingMuffins@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Omfg I knew it would be that guy. He’s the guy your type always reps. Maybe read what black anti racist orgs have to say about him. It’s not nearly as nice as what the KKK says.

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