You agree that ice skittles be murdering citizens in the streets with no accountability? Please explain.
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muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com 1 day ago
I disagree with what ur saying about ice but I support free speech and thus support your right to say it without being censored. Ironically I doubt you would give me the same courtesy.
Lydia_K@lemmy.world 1 day ago
muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com 23 hours ago
The courts will hold them accountable to the same degree as any other law enforcement officer. I don’t think it be murder I think it be fully legal self defence. But none of us get to make that decision only the courts can and will make that decision.
missingno@fedia.io 23 hours ago
The courts aren't holding ICE accountable. A woman was murdered in cold blood and nothing is being done about it.
muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com 21 hours ago
Their will be a court hearing and the court will most likely rule that it wasn’t murder www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDda-L_ZOE8
Lydia_K@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
The fact that I made such an egregious typo as “ice skittles” with zero reaction or mockery while also getting such a bland and placid recitation of base line propaganda makes me realize I’m talking to an LLM or a bot account, either way they have arrived on lemmy.
muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com 21 hours ago
No its just that I’m not bats hit insane losing my mind. I’m simply willing to have a conversation with someone I disagree with without devolving into rage or bad faith personal insults. And yes the ai bots are on lemmy pushing propaganda. I wrote them.
PunnyName@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Aww, look at you believing something will actually happen to Jonathan Ross after he killed Renee Good. It’s like you still believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.
muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com 19 hours ago
No my point is that I think the courts will determine that nothing is to be done
PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 1 day ago
Hell no. If you support ICE, then fuck everything you care and please unironically light yourself on fire immediately.
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 23 hours ago
Seems like you fell for the bait & made their point, and I figured they were just playing devil’s advocate. “Free speech” only when it doesn’t offend you isn’t free speech. This is just plain hypocrisy.
superkong47@lemmy.zip 14 hours ago
The fuck are you on about? “Free speech” is a protection against government overreach- period. Doesn’t have a damn thing to do with regular citizens “canceling” each other
PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 23 hours ago
Please look at the next comment. I made it very clear that the speech I’m railing against is defense of fascism. We disagree on almost everything, but absolutely not fascism.
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 19 hours ago
Free speech is free speech. The only justifiable limitation is harm, not mere offense. While fascism is harmful, their speech merely offends. Only they, their violence, threats, & appeal to force can be justifiably suppressed, not their merely offensive opinions.
If anything, your tact is counterproductive, because it robs everyone the open discourse necessary to observe the reasons against fascism & their effective articulation to discredit fascist rhetoric. People need practice to hone their abilities to deliberate & articulate themselves effectively. Relying on dogma, taboo, & censorship leads to brittle thinkers & incompetent defenders of righteous causes.
Moreover, their remark of “disagreeing about ICE” (as outlandish as it seems to me) doesn’t automatically make them a fascist. You’re making somewhat of a leap here. Do you know the US is full of douches?
Impoliteness is ineffective & unskilled at discrediting bad positions. Having reason on your side & articulating it effectively makes a more resounding (& satisfying) defeat.
Then you boldly played yourself & deluded yourself into “victory”.
Seems you’re raising an etymological fallacy. Unless you’re psychic, you don’t know what the commenter truly believes & no one needs to declare/imply/admit they’re playing devil’s advocate to do so.[^lemmy-sucks]
Exposing someone’s hypocrisy over the principle of free speech by eliciting a response just as the commenter had fits the definition exactly.
That’s up to you. We’re on Lemmy: nothing you do here does anything to oppose fascism. The fight against fascism is out there where the fascists are. I’m not even sure the commenter is advocating fascism: I think they were just luring you into a trap to expose your lack of principle regarding free speech. All we’re doing here is exchanging insignificant words.
On the contrary, exclusion instead of correction is a mistake that got us here. Before we got complacent, we dealt with idiots by legitimately discrediting their rhetoric in open discourse & advocating better ideas. Before deplatforming began, the problem was more manageable. Relying on censorship to knock them off platforms fanned the flames: their persecution complex feels justified with “liberal social media” against them, and by forming separate platforms where their rhetoric goes unchallenged, they can radicalize themselves & organize to defeat the liberal system “persecuting” them. Civic disengagement, apathy in our political system didn’t help either.
The same complacency that got us here won’t get us out. Censorship is incompetent advocacy.
[^lemmy-sucks]: Especially on here: prefatory explanations for any move Lemmy could maliciously interpret in the worst way possible (which is all of them) gets exhausting & inspires defiance.
muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com 19 hours ago
Its not propaganda its just support for the policy supported by a majority of the american people. And your right ice is backed by the entire unites states military they hold an absolute monopoly on violence. Be greatful they have not decided to use it and go full Tiananmen square in ur ass. Cos they sure as shit could and with the way ur acting why wouldnt people laugh just like u did when Charlie kirk died. If u celebrate the death of others for their political options why should others have empathy for you? Pick a side empathy for your enemies and u shall receive empathy if you die or laugh at ur enemies deaths and don’t be surprised when people celebrate yours.
muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com 19 hours ago
Mate I think u might have bit too much critical thinking skills for lemmy. You might get banned for not siding with the lemmy hive mind if u keep acting like this.
muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com 23 hours ago
So free speech for you but not for me? Sound an awfully fascist of you. Do you unironically think that free speech should only apply to some people and anyone who doesn’t agree with you should be silenced? Is this not the very thing you are accusing ice of doing? Do u not see the hypocracy or do u simply not care?
PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 23 hours ago
Yes if you speak in support of fascism, including but not limited to ICE.
It’s not, but if people started adopting your view of what constitutes fascism, then the term would be useless.
No, just fascists.
It’s literally not what I’m accusing ICE doing. I am accusing ICE of doing what they were designed to do, i.e. enforce immigration laws and terrorize the working class on behalf of the capitalist class.
I don’t care about accusations of hypocrisy from fascists and their supporters since I know what makes you cheer.
Infinite genocide against fascists forever. amerikkka
muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com 21 hours ago
Glad we could establish that you don’t support free speech. Given that you don’t support free speech you have no right to complain when people silence you.
You didn’t celebrate the death of Charlie kirk cos he was a fascist you called him a fascist so u could kill him.
It seems u don’t have an issue with fascism but an issue with the democratic laws of the nation. Interesting that jan6 was so bad cos it was against democracy but the second democracy is against you then its justified to break the law.
Glad we could establish that u don’t care about being a hypocritic rally makes it clear that your not coming from a place of rationality or good faith.
And real talk. The government holds the monopoly on violence. They could just go Tiananmen square on ur ass and kill you all. The fact that u can sit around screaming death threats at people on the internet and celebrating the death of people you don’t like is a testament to the fact that the government is not fascist as no fascist regime would ever tolerate what u are currently doing. You behaving like this is only going to radicalise people further to the right and the more u push your violent intolerant rhetoric the closer you push everyone else towards exercising that very same violence upon you.