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i propose the name na2.

Clever, but I don’t see why it should be limited to North Atlantic countries.
If for instance Australia and South Korea want to join, that should be an option.

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Damage@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
I think we should go with GDI, Global Defence Initiative

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- UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Meanwhile US creates the GWI
  
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  - Damage@feddit.it ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    You mean the Brotherhood of Nod
    
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    Screen_Shatter@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
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    lime@feddit.nu ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    because it’s full of yes men?
    
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lime@feddit.nu ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
doesn’t necessarily need to be short for North Atlantic, could be Not America’s no. 2

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PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Eurovision 2

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Cowbee_Admirer@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
What if China wants to join? Or Russia? What would be the policy?

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- 14th_cylon@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  the policy shoud be “this is union of democratic countries”
  
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  - Cowbee_Admirer@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    And who decides which countries are democratic and which are not?
    
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    14th_cylon@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    we have the whole field of expertise for that, we call it the political science. and no one with more than 2 brain cells thinks china or russia are democratic countries.
    
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- Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  The standard for NATO has always been to only accept democracies.
  I see no reason why we would change that requirement for a new alliance.
  I’d even go so far as to make respect of human rights a demand too like we have in EU, so we for instance exclude countries with death penalty.
  
  There needs to be common values that we want to protect, with NATO it was democracy, based on our experience with USA, we need to extend that to include respect for international law and human rights as well as protecting democracy.
  
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  - frisbird@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    LOL, how silly.
    
    Russia and China are democracies - they have systems of voting, candidates, politicians fall in and out of favor with the public, etc. In fact, China is innovating on how to get MORE participatory systems into their Republic that aren’t limited to gerrymandered popularity tests.
    
    But human rights? You’re joking, right? Guantanamo Bay. Extraordinary rendition. Abu Ghraib. Vietnam. Cambodia. Laos. Guam. School of the Americas. Iran-Contra. Overthrowing the Shah. Operation Paperclip. Operation Gladio. CIA black sites. Drone striking weddings. Drone striking funerals for people who died at those weddings. Zero Units. Napalm. Agent Orange. Land mines. Somalia. Libya. Iraq. Afghanistan. Kidnapping a head of state. Double tapping fishermen. Spying on all communications of their own citizens. The Five Eyes spying on each other’s citizens and trading the intel back to each other.
    
    You think respect for human rights is required for NATO membership? Do you know what NATO has even done?
    
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    Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    Russia and China are democracies
    
    No they are not, they are authoritarian regimes that oppress any political competition through censorship, imprisonment and even death. Just like we’ve seen with Navalny and Jack Ma. Try to look up tiananmen square in China. Or just ask a Chinese AI about it, it won’t tell you anything.
    You are a complete idiot, and I really mean literal idiot for calling those 2 countries democracies, there are clearly standards for what constitute a democracy, and Russia and China are not in any way within those standards. Free press and freedom of expression without threat of persecution by the government is a requirement.
    en.wikipedia.org/…/The_Economist_Democracy_Index
    Democracy is not just about being allowed to vote for the dear leader, there has to be ability to participate in the whole political process without being oppressed.
    
    But human rights? You’re joking, right? Guantanamo Bay.
    
    Now you are just being stupid again, I said it shout be EXTENDED to human rights if we make a NATO replacement, which we obviously can’t do while USA is a member, because USA nolonger even pretend to observe human rights.
    
    Don’t bother responding. I have blocked you, your points are moronic, and I don’t want to ever read anything from you again.
    Get off the meth for christ sake.
    
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  - Cowbee_Admirer@reddthat.com ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    The standard for NATO has always been to only accept democracies
    
    As defined by whom exactly? Chinese citizens will tell you that they’re in a democracy and very satisfied with it, much more so than Spaniards for example (my homeland)
    
    I’d even go so far as to make respect of human rights a demand too like we have in EU
    
    EU is literally funding the genocide of Palestinians with 0 economic or political sanctions to Israel coming from governments. By that logic, all of EU deserves out of NATO immediately. NATO also triggered the Libyan civil war through bombing, bombed Yugoslavia, and many NATO countries directly participated in the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.
    
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