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madcaesar@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

Carney is in a tough spot… Canada heavily relies on the US and just giving them the middle finger is not an option.

I know instinctively it would feel great if he just told Trump to eat a bag of dicks, but that would be irresponsible and could spiral Canada into a depression.

People don’t seem to understand that there are different forms of appeasement of lunatics.

The Conservatives wanted to enthusiastically gargle Trump’s balls and move us closer to fascism.

The liberals understand they have to be still play politics to not crash the country but are working behind the scenes to reduce dependencies.

To the uneducated both positions look identical from the outside because neither is telling Trump to fuck off, but there are nuances here.

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Typhoon@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

The Conservatives wanted to enthusiastically gargle Trump’s balls and move us closer to fascism.

I agree with the rest of your comment but this sentence stood out.

The Conservatives want to move us closer to Trump, but the Liberals are still moving us closer to fascism. Look at bills C-2 and C-12, which bring our border and immigration policies much more in line with the US.

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- madcaesar@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  That’s a separate issue and yes I agree, liberals aren’t saints and need to be checked, I’m just focusing on the whole Trump part.
  
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- DrBob@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  It’s a defensive posture. It’s those things that are keeping us from random 1,000,000% tariffs that would take a decade to litigate. Nobody wants it, but we kind of need to play along while we figure out how to get out of this mess.
  
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  - Typhoon@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Sure, just a little bit of fascism will be fine.
    
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    DrBob@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Well your realpolitik option is a supersized portion with Poilievre. Until we get proportional representation we are all jadtage.
    
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recursive_recursion@piefed.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
I get it and I fully agree; Carney giving Trump the bird is obviously not the play to make.

At the same time, clapping for the bombing of Venezuela and capturing Maduro. Like what the fuck. This was really uneeded and unnecessary.

Why comment at all, giving praise was even foolhardy as internationally Canada looks to be on the wrong side of history.

Feigning ignorance or saying something on the lines of “My staff and I are currently looking into the implications of this rapidly changing situation.” would have honestly been better IMO.

Seriously someone out there would have probably had a better move than Carney’s misstep.

Again I don’t disagree with your points, I just feel that Carney’s been making mistakes intentionally or accidentally one after another.

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- AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  Carney giving Trump the bird is obviously not the play
  
  Maybe if it were gold plated, and labelled “peas prize”
  
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- FaceDeer@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Carney didn't "clap for the attack on Venezuela." He called for international law to be followed, which should be an obvious rebuke to anyone who isn't at a Trump level of understanding of how diplomacy is done.
  
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  - humanspiral@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Carney’s statement on Venezuela is equivalent to "We recognize the greatness of the extermination of domestic liberal terrorist in Mineapolis this week, and sympathize with the brave officer’s tragedy of dealing with anti-American sentiment. However, we hope that America can be peaceful and cooperative, with due process, in the future.
    
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    madcaesar@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Ok buddy take it easy.
    
    Let’s not equivalate an innocent woman getting shot by thugs to a corrupt president getting arrested.
    
    The Venezuela thing is fucked up for many reasons, but that corrupt president getting fucked isn’t one of them.
    
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- madcaesar@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Yep totally fair. Again, I don’t know if behind the scenes people are just like “he’s done this shit already, nothing we can do about it, so just appease the child with some comments”
  
  A lot of leaders seem to be taking this route publicly while they work behind the scenes to shed themselves of Trump
  
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