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• AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  If you don’t trust anything, then your only option is self-host everything,

  Is Proton perfect? Not at all. Are they better than Google? Well… if you trust the external audits (1) and external sources in general (2), then, they probably are.

  But if you don’t trust anything, then you probably don’t trust those audits either, so it’s pointless to even mention them.

  (1) techradar.com/…/proton-vpns-no-logs-policy-holds-…

  (2) webpronews.com/unlocking-proton-mails-encryption-…

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• ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Ingogni is super suspicious and I don’t believe what they claim to do is even possible. But to me it’s what they claim to do that makes them suspicious, and that’s and entirely different thing than what proton does, and at least proton has documented audits to back up their privacy claims. INB4 the links to articles talking about proton complying with law enforcement requests, every company does that, even respected ones like mullvad. It’s not important that they hand over information they’re legally required to, it’s important that they save as little as possible so they can hand over everything without identifying you.

  And also, any privacy conscious service is never better than your own opsec, so if you get caught becays6your recovery email was your apple ID, that’s on you and not them.

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  • artyom@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Guys…it’s Incogni. Like incognito?

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  • gdog05@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Incogni feels like a product the data brokers created to double tap your data and get paid for doing it.

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  • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Hasnt Proton assisted law enforcement in freezing, locking out or providing access to some person?
    I remember that happen.

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    • artyom@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      They comply with the law to the extent that they absolutely have to.

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    • ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I’ve heard of locking/freezing accounts, but the only case where a person got identified was because the user used their apple ID mail and got identified that way from the information handed over.

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      • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Nvmd.
        What I had in memory was false.
        The provided IPs but not decrypted mails or access to the inbox.

        Besides that they also suspended inboxes.

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• green_red_black@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Unlike those “we will delete your data for you.” Services. Proton operates under a Zero Knowledge Encryption, I.E. no one even themselves can read your emails.

  Is it perfect? No obviously, if you use a recovery email that is not properly secured (say a Gmail account.) then congratulations your now vulnerable via the State asking Google.

  But the privacy focus IS genuine

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  • Nanook@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    It’s just ad-bait. Proton will hand your ass over to whatever authorities.

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    • CTDummy@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Are you basing this on anything? I agree with another poster that proton being the go to alternative is somewhat suspect in my paranoid brain but some of these remark here seem pretty outlandish.

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      • green_red_black@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Proton has been involved in some situations but it’s like the scenario I provided.

        Accounts having an unencrypted line of entry “we can’t get the information off the Proton Server but the account is connected to a Google server so let’s go to Google instead.”

        Or Proton not particularly putting up a hard fight against a government request. (Mind you no information is being handed over just an account being turned off with no means to recover)

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      • kumi@feddit.online ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/proton-mail-discloses-user-data-leading-to-arrest-in-spain/18191

        Before that: https://www.wired.com/story/protonmail-amends-policy-after-giving-up-activists-data/

        There are many, many more cases we don’t hear about in media.

        If you consistently connect to Proton via I2P or tor and don’t link a phone number or tracable recovery mail, you’re covering up at least some of the juicy metadata.

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      • Nanook@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Google it.

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    • 3abas@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      That’s the thing though, you don’t need to trust them, you trust public key cryptography. And unless the NSA has secretly solved that, Proton cannot hand anything to anyone, because they can’t access anything but encrypted data.

      If the NSA solved that, they don’t need Proton’s cooperation, they can just intercept the encrypted traffic directly.

      You don’t need to trust Proton inherently, all their apps are open source and you can verify the encryption yourself. They hold your encrypted data and you hold the keys.

      The only thing they could be lying about is keeping VPN logs, but there’s no credible reason to believe they are. They do annual third-party audits of their infrastructure to confirm no logs, but if you’re depending strictly on VPN to hide data you think the government is interested in, you’re doing it wrong.

      They cannot hand over your emails, because they don’t have the keys. But email is an inherently insecure communication method, and any email you send to a non proton recipient is visible to that recipient’s provider.

      They can see the subject line and the recipient’s address, because they need to know where to transfer the email and send notifications with the subject line, but they are transparent about that.

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• 4am@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  This comment describes Brave browser

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• mrnobody@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Why would they be sus? They’re a Switzerland based company which means really good privacy laws in regards to keeping your data out of the wrong hands. They’re not going to monetize your emails or information, which is a big deal!

  Incogni, you’re right, give us your data so we know what to scrub? No thanks lol. Feels like the wrong approach lol

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