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The threadiverse is already beyond proprietary software thank to those many people building the fediverse.

All of the “features” you are giving as “superior” are meaningless, if the Fediverse is only interested/useful for 0.1% of the overall population. I don’t care about moral superiority. I will not consider the Fediverse “beyond” anything on any front until TikTok, Reddit, Instagram, Bluesky, et al are irrelevant as tools for mass communication.

You can write a critize but without insulting people

I am not insulting people. It might be a harsh criticism on the product of their work, and I do understand that it’s human nature to be defensive when their work is criticized and how hard it is to separate ourselves from the things we do out of care.

But this is not a personal attack on any of the developers, and I do not think that using a softer tone would help here. Many times in my life I embarked on a project because I was riding high on some ambitious/virtuous goals and I wished I had more people being brutally honestly and calling me out, to bring me back to reality. The worst thing is to when people say they want “feedback”, but are only willing to listen to those who validate or fake-support them.

The developers can ignore me and keep working on it however they see fit, or they can stop and see if any of what I am saying has any merit. But just like they don’t owe me anything, I do not owe them any validation.

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Skavau@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

All of the “features” you are giving as “superior” are meaningless, if the Fediverse is only interesting/useful for 0.1% of the overall population. I don’t care about moral superiority. I will not consider the Fediverse “beyond” anything on any front until TikTok, Reddit, Instagram, Bluesky, et al are irrelevant as tools for mass communication.

This is a weird standard to hold, and certainly not something anyone on here holds.

No-one thinks Lemmy/Piefed or theFediverse more broadly has the logistics, funding or capacity to supplant them.

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- rglullis@communick.news ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  
  No-one thinks Lemmy/Piefed or theFediverse more broadly has the logistics, funding or capacity to supplant them.
  
  I’ve answered this on a sibling thread. I think that the problem is ideological than of resources. Most people here will proudly claim they prefer to have a “small” Fediverse over an “universal” one. Then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Mastodon had three big waves of people that wanted to leave Twitter but were met with hostility by a loud minority. There are people here who still think that the Reddit mirrors were bad because “if I wanted to see reddit stuff, I’d go to Reddit” and completely miss the point that the mirrors are a tool to get people out of there.
  
  Plus, we shouldn’t need to “supplant” them. It would be enough to simply “disrupt” the model. Reddit still is in an incredibly fragile position. Twitter is a zombie network. Social “media” is in a overall declline. Instead of emulating these dying platforms, we should be skating to where the puck is heading and use the open protocols to build the Next Big Thing.
  
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  - Skavau@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    No, I want the Fediverse to get bigger. I don’t necessarily think its desirable to become anywhere near the size of Reddit though.
    
    Nor do I think its even possible. I don’t know anyone here who has arrived who has been met with “hostility” just for arriving so I have no idea what you’re talking about.
    
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    rglullis@communick.news ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    
    No, I want the Fediverse to get bigger. I don’t necessarily think its desirable to become anywhere near the size of Reddit though.
    
    You are kind of arguing my case here: I think that the “Fediverse” should be lilke “The WWW”. Universal. The majority of people might use mobile apps for day-to-day things, but we can pretty much bet that the absolute majority of the billions of the connected people use web browsers.
    
    So, when you say “I don’t think it is desirable for the Fediverse to be anywhere near the size of Reddit”, and knowing that Reddit is one of the smallest social networks out there (less than 100M MAU, mostly US-focused), to me it does sound like you are on the “Small Fediverse” camp.
    
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Snoopy@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

I had more people being brutally honestly and calling me out, to bring me back to reality. The worst thing is to when people say they want “feedback”, but are only willing to listen to those who validate or fake-support them.

That’s nit my point. If anyone were brutally honnest the world wouldn’t be better because you do hurt people. They will stop being in contact with you.

So what’s the point telling them all this ? You argument fell into a pit. S i gave you some tips to keep interaction with people and sharing your opinion and your technical knowledge without being harsh.

You don’t have to be harsh to tell the truth.

All of the “features” you are giving as “superior” are meaningless, if the Fediverse is only interesting/useful for 0.1% of the overall population. I don’t care about moral superiority. I will not consider the Fediverse “beyond” anything on any front until TikTok, Reddit, Instagram, Bluesky, et al are irrelevant as tools for mass communication.

So why are you here ? What’s the piint of being here if they are “superior”. I’m sorry, i disagree with you, it answered the need of bilkions people and i’m convaincing people IRL to migrate on these platform. They are happy to know that there is alternative to gafam.

And lastly, being able to see video from another service wasn’t possibke before. It’s the first time i see something like this thank to activitypub protocole. It’s amazing. So please stop.

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- rglullis@communick.news ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  
  They will stop being in contact with you. So what’s the point telling them all this ? You argument fell into a pit.
  
  My goal is not to convince Rimu or any of the people working on PieFed to change their minds. I know they won’t. I’m not trying to win any argument here. I’m talking in a public forum, giving my opinion, so that others can have a contrasting point of view.
  
  So why are you here ?
  
  Because I don’t want to keep contributing to centralized platforms?
  
  What’s the point of being here if they are “superior”.
  
  I didn’t say they are “superior”, I said they are more useful to more people. “The point of being here” is that I want to make this place as useful and universal as the centralized platforms. But I find this line of reasoning quite strange, to be frank. Do you think that people should only be here if they are willing to conform to a certain set of values?
  
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  - Snoopy@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    My goal is not to convince Rimu or any of the people working on PieFed to change their minds. I know they won’t. I’m not trying to win any argument here. I’m talking in a public forum, giving my opinion, so that others can have a contrasting point of view
    
    My goal as a moderator/piefed staff is to make you understand that the way you shared your arguments/opinion is not okay. It’s not about telling the truth, the truth doesn’t have to be harsh, blunt…that’s a false belief. You can be nice and share your knownledge/opinion. And i gave you several options.
    
    I want to make this place as useful and universal as the centralized platforms. But I find this line of reasoning quite strange, to be frank. Do you think that people should only be here if they are willing to conform to a certain set of values?
    
    Well i’m part of the Kittens : https://chatons.org
    I meet people IRL and tell them about the fediverse, and show them how they work, i did 2 conferences on Piefed to newcomers last summer. I also did the wiki of Piefed.
    
    I’m not only acting in the fediverse and the web but i’m also there IRL, where most of people use big tech. If you want to make this place useful and universal as centralized platforms, i think the best way to change people is telling them about the fediverse IRL, not here beside technical stuff or ui.
    
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    rglullis@communick.news ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    My goal as a moderator/piefed staff is to make you understand
    
    I am not talking in a piefed-owned channel and afaik you have no authority to give me “options” here. You may not like how I expressed my opinion, but that doesn’t mean that I need to agree or comply.
    
    i think the best way to change people is telling them about the fediverse IRL,
    
    You do know that I’m running a hosting provider for the Fediverse since 2019, right? I’ve done a lot more than just complained about the state of current projects. I’ve done my share of “IRL” marketing, promoted FOSS alternatives to companies, set up demo instances for prospective customers, set up free accounts for my friends, put up a Matrix room for my college buddies to show them an alternative to WhatsApp…
    
    When I talk about the shortcomings of the Fediverse and the lack of ambition of the developers, it’s because I’ve already got lots of people in here, but the overwhelming majority of them ended up going back to the proprietary platforms because there simply isn’t enough interests/interesting people. It tries so hard to reject mainstream and “normies” that it ends up feeling hostile to them. The majority of people are not interested in being lectured 24/7 by patronizing tweenies.
    
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