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Snoopy@piefed.social 2 days agoSocial media “platforms” are bad by its very nature and chasing this idea that we can “fix” them by making open source versions of them is a fool’s errand.
Well, the fediverse is already beyond proprietary platform :
- IA content is restricted
- moderation action is in the modlog and transparency
- there is not ads
- we have some collective created to make a media network suntainable for anyone accessible to everyone.
- piefed offer other mean to the binary voting system
The threadiverse is already beyond proprietary software than to those many people building the fediverse.
And why can’t we duplicate well loved proprietary platform ? We are following people needs and slowly try to create something different by listening to people feedback.
Lastly, please, i understand that you are passionate about it but i don’t want to see this kind of critizism for any software, whatever they are :
PieFed as just a pile of hacks with no serious consideration for the Fediverse
It’s rude toward peopke who invested so much effort and gave their time to build it. It is inconsiderate. You can write a critize but without insulting people and convey your though.
For example :
I disagree with piefed devopment because their will be problem with activityPub interporability. My concern is…
(Sorry, i’m bad at understand technical detail)
And why i insist telling you that ?
That’s the key are in argument, discussion : people will listen to your point.
Lastly, the hardest part is also to listen what the other side say about this. It’s very difficult to listen even for myself as part of piefed staff. It’s not black and white, there is lot shade of colors :)
rglullis@communick.news 2 days ago
All of the “features” you are giving as “superior” are meaningless, if the Fediverse is only interested/useful for 0.1% of the overall population. I don’t care about moral superiority. I will not consider the Fediverse “beyond” anything on any front until TikTok, Reddit, Instagram, Bluesky, et al are irrelevant as tools for mass communication.
I am not insulting people. It might be a harsh criticism on the product of their work, and I do understand that it’s human nature to be defensive when their work is criticized and how hard it is to separate ourselves from the things we do out of care.
But this is not a personal attack on any of the developers, and I do not think that using a softer tone would help here. Many times in my life I embarked on a project because I was riding high on some ambitious/virtuous goals and I wished I had more people being brutally honestly and calling me out, to bring me back to reality. The worst thing is to when people say they want “feedback”, but are only willing to listen to those who validate or fake-support them.
The developers can ignore me and keep working on it however they see fit, or they can stop and see if any of what I am saying has any merit. But just like they don’t owe me anything, I do not owe them any validation.
Skavau@piefed.social 1 day ago
This is a weird standard to hold, and certainly not something anyone on here holds.
No-one thinks Lemmy/Piefed or theFediverse more broadly has the logistics, funding or capacity to supplant them.
rglullis@communick.news 1 day ago
I’ve answered this on a sibling thread. I think that the problem is ideological than of resources. Most people here will proudly claim they prefer to have a “small” Fediverse over an “universal” one. Then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Mastodon had three big waves of people that wanted to leave Twitter but were met with hostility by a loud minority. There are people here who still think that the Reddit mirrors were bad because “if I wanted to see reddit stuff, I’d go to Reddit” and completely miss the point that the mirrors are a tool to get people out of there.
Plus, we shouldn’t need to “supplant” them. It would be enough to simply “disrupt” the model. Reddit still is in an incredibly fragile position. Twitter is a zombie network. Social “media” is in a overall declline. Instead of emulating these dying platforms, we should be skating to where the puck is heading and use the open protocols to build the Next Big Thing.
Skavau@piefed.social 1 day ago
No, I want the Fediverse to get bigger. I don’t necessarily think its desirable to become anywhere near the size of Reddit though.
Nor do I think its even possible. I don’t know anyone here who has arrived who has been met with “hostility” just for arriving so I have no idea what you’re talking about.
Snoopy@piefed.social 2 days ago
That’s nit my point. If anyone were brutally honnest the world wouldn’t be better because you do hurt people. They will stop being in contact with you.
So what’s the point telling them all this ? You argument fell into a pit. S i gave you some tips to keep interaction with people and sharing your opinion and your technical knowledge without being harsh.
You don’t have to be harsh to tell the truth.
So why are you here ? What’s the piint of being here if they are “superior”. I’m sorry, i disagree with you, it answered the need of bilkions people and i’m convaincing people IRL to migrate on these platform. They are happy to know that there is alternative to gafam.
And lastly, being able to see video from another service wasn’t possibke before. It’s the first time i see something like this thank to activitypub protocole. It’s amazing. So please stop.
rglullis@communick.news 2 days ago
My goal is not to convince Rimu or any of the people working on PieFed to change their minds. I know they won’t. I’m not trying to win any argument here. I’m talking in a public forum, giving my opinion, so that others can have a contrasting point of view.
Because I don’t want to keep contributing to centralized platforms?
I didn’t say they are “superior”, I said they are more useful to more people. “The point of being here” is that I want to make this place as useful and universal as the centralized platforms. But I find this line of reasoning quite strange, to be frank. Do you think that people should only be here if they are willing to conform to a certain set of values?
Snoopy@piefed.social 2 days ago
My goal as a moderator/piefed staff is to make you understand that the way you shared your arguments/opinion is not okay. It’s not about telling the truth, the truth doesn’t have to be harsh, blunt…that’s a false belief. You can be nice and share your knownledge/opinion. And i gave you several options.
Well i’m part of the Kittens : https://chatons.org
I meet people IRL and tell them about the fediverse, and show them how they work, i did 2 conferences on Piefed to newcomers last summer. I also did the wiki of Piefed.
I’m not only acting in the fediverse and the web but i’m also there IRL, where most of people use big tech. If you want to make this place useful and universal as centralized platforms, i think the best way to change people is telling them about the fediverse IRL, not here beside technical stuff or ui.