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What other activities do you have in mind?

Any and all of them? What is so special about as:like and as:dislike? There is nothing on ActivityPub preventing users to create posts or announce activities for a different target audience.

You done a poll on this?

This is tyranny of the majority. If one person is out there saying “I don’t want to have the data I’ve posted on server A to be presented as if I posted on server B”, then this person will be right to complain if they see their requests being respected.

(And before someone comes up and points fingers at me saying that Fediverser was also copying user posts without their consent: it’s true that the bots were recreating the posts and comments, but they were publishing information on the Fediverse with “actor ids” from Reddit. There is a subtle, but important difference)

Anyway, can we move on from this conversation, please? I am not going to change your mind about it and I don’t want to re-hash past discussions. I’m also not particularly interested in any of the current server-centric Fediverse projects, so you will have a hard time convincing me that anything being done on PieFed is worthy of praise.

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Skavau@piefed.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

This is tyranny of the majority. If one person is out there saying “I don’t want to have the data I’ve posted on server A to be presented as if I posted on server B”, then this person will be right to complain if they see their requests being respected.

Well we already have ‘tyranny of the majority’ here regarding a whole host of functions on the fediverse. On reddit voting is entirely private, mod-logs hidden and people now can even hide their posting history. I am sure a non-zero amount of people here object to that (I know some do). But there’s no support for changing that due to the belief prevalent across the fediverse that these being publicly accessible keep the fediverse honest.

This is tyranny of the majority. If one person is out there saying “I don’t want to have the data I’ve posted on server A to be presented as if I posted on server B”, then this person will be right to complain if they see their requests being respected.

Maybe one could have an opt-out toggle in users profiles for potential community migration. Ultimately, I’m in favour of (if this functionality ever actually exists to completely move a community) being widely known. People would join the fediverse knowing that there’s a possibility that the community they’re posting on could, down-the-line, move to another instance and thus ‘move’ their posts and comments within that community.

And I’m just replying to your points from a community perspective. You’re welcome to reply or not.

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- rglullis@communick.news ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  
  On reddit voting is entirely private,
  
  Go to Reddit with a bag of money, get the voting history of whoever you want… how is that for “private”?
  
  If we are talking about building an “open” web, then it makes no sense to justify any design based on how the “closed” web works. The incentives are different, the use-cases are different and in the long run it will be detrimental to the open web if we keep trying to mask away the differences.
  
  More than that, I think that the biggest mistake being done by current fediverse projects is that they keep trying to emulate the proprietary networks. Social media “platforms” are bad by its very nature and chasing this idea that we can “fix” them by making open source versions of them is a fool’s errand.
  
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  - Snoopy@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    Social media “platforms” are bad by its very nature and chasing this idea that we can “fix” them by making open source versions of them is a fool’s errand.
    
    Well, the fediverse is already beyond proprietary platform :
    - IA content is restricted
    - moderation action is in the modlog and transparency
    - there is not ads
    - we have some collective created to make a media network suntainable for anyone accessible to everyone.
    - piefed offer other mean to the binary voting system
    
    The threadiverse is already beyond proprietary software than to those many people building the fediverse.
    
    And why can’t we duplicate well loved proprietary platform ? We are following people needs and slowly try to create something different by listening to people feedback.
    
    Lastly, please, i understand that you are passionate about it but i don’t want to see this kind of critizism for any software, whatever they are :
    
    PieFed as just a pile of hacks with no serious consideration for the Fediverse
    
    It’s rude toward peopke who invested so much effort and gave their time to build it. It is inconsiderate. You can write a critize but without insulting people and convey your though.
    
    For example :
    
    I disagree with piefed devopment because their will be problem with activityPub interporability. My concern is…
    
    (Sorry, i’m bad at understand technical detail)
    
    And why i insist telling you that ?
    
    That’s the key are in argument, discussion : people will listen to your point.
    
    Lastly, the hardest part is also to listen what the other side say about this. It’s very difficult to listen even for myself as part of piefed staff. It’s not black and white, there is lot shade of colors :)
    
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    rglullis@communick.news ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    The threadiverse is already beyond proprietary software thank to those many people building the fediverse.
    
    All of the “features” you are giving as “superior” are meaningless, if the Fediverse is only interested/useful for 0.1% of the overall population. I don’t care about moral superiority. I will not consider the Fediverse “beyond” anything on any front until TikTok, Reddit, Instagram, Bluesky, et al are irrelevant as tools for mass communication.
    
    You can write a critize but without insulting people
    
    I am not insulting people. It might be a harsh criticism on the product of their work, and I do understand that it’s human nature to be defensive when their work is criticized and how hard it is to separate ourselves from the things we do out of care.
    
    But this is not a personal attack on any of the developers, and I do not think that using a softer tone would help here. Many times in my life I embarked on a project because I was riding high on some ambitious/virtuous goals and I wished I had more people being brutally honestly and calling me out, to bring me back to reality. The worst thing is to when people say they want “feedback”, but are only willing to listen to those who validate or fake-support them.
    
    The developers can ignore me and keep working on it however they see fit, or they can stop and see if any of what I am saying has any merit. But just like they don’t owe me anything, I do not owe them any validation.
    
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  - Skavau@piefed.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Sorry, I meant in the sense of privacy from the perspective of other users. Your voting history cannot be seen by other users on Reddit, and you can hide your comment history from them too. I think these are bad decisions, but at the same time some people on the fediverse have voiced support for them.
    
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- ademir@lemmy.eco.br ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  If Piefed continues to implement features without considering the ActivityPub protocol and other platforms, much as Mastodon has been criticized for, it will damage the very interoperability that makes the fediverse valuable.
  
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  - Skavau@piefed.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Has that happened yet?
    
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    rglullis@communick.news ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Yes?!
    
    Isn’t that my whole complaint about the implementation of “ChooseAnswer”?
    
    Isn’t that my whole complaint about the community migration being done in a way that will not work with servers implementing the Portable Objects FEP?
    
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