Comment on Midnight is a stupid time for the clock to roll over to the next day

• Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  If you say night of the 5th, that will mean the time from sunset to midnight on the fifth.

  After that it’s morning/pre-dawn of the 6th.

  This isn’t new or controversial.

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  • hedgehog@ttrpg.network ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    It’s night from sunset until dawn. And if someone said “in the morning” I would never interpret that as meaning before dawn.

    It is controversial, because one definition of “morning” is dawn to noon and another is midnight to noon. And saying “night” is “sunset to midnight” is also new because you just came up with that.

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  • PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Morning and predawn are typically the times immediately surrounding dawn, not the time immediately after midnight.

    If you told me “were going out to take photos at predawn” I’d assume you meant blue hour photos, not moonlit photos.

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• Aatube@kbin.melroy.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  i've never seen someone who takes that as "before dawn"

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  • PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Right.

    But 00:01 is clearly still night. Night is typically considered from dusk til dawn.

    So if we say “the night of the 2nd” then that’s from dusk til 23:59:59 of the 2nd.
    Which is then followed by night that isn’t the night of the 2nd nor night of the 3rd.
    And I’d say “before dawn” or “early morning” of the 3rd would be problematically ambiguous.

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    • Aatube@kbin.melroy.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      "early morning of the 3rd" and "before dawn of the 3rd" definitely would not become 00:00—8:00 of the 2nd, and that's all that matters imo for the practical utility of delineating borders between days in the first place

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      • PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I don’t understand what you mean here, why would “before dawn of the 3rd” become 00:00-08:00 of the 2nd?

        I’m saying to shift what 00:00 is, to align with dawn(ish), so that a calendar day is comprised of a contiguous day followed by a contiguous night, which is how we typically intuit about days anyways when we aren’t talking about time.

        I know there are practically modern issues with this, but this is a silly post about how unsatisfying it is for the day to start at midnight

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• FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  You have a choice in life. You can accept certain things you cannot change. This one, you won’t change. Even if you spearheaded a popular movement I doubt you’ll get it changed. Everybody hates DLST and we still can’t get rid of it.

  So I suggest you adapt your language. You don’t talk about the night of the fifth but the night from the fifth to the sixth. Three additional syllables in this case and the confusion evaporates quickly. You’re focusing on the perceived problem and not on the solution. If you do resolutions for the new year, maybe add that point to your list.

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  • PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I mean, I’m having fun arguing pedantics, but this is a pretty silly post. There is no room here for real practical solutions!

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• foggy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  The night of the 5th would be sometime after 4pm on the 5th.

  What is confusing about this?

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  • PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Right, but then how do you refer to before 5am on the 5th?
    That’s not morning, and it’s not the night of the 4th. It’s awkward.

    But more importantly, it’s ugly. It’s not how we intuit about days. It’s unsatisfying.

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    • CrackedLinuxISO@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I’ve heard people say “the wee hours of the night” to refer to time between midnight and dawn.

      I think one of the reasons that there’s not a good word for that in English is because it’s the time anyone is least likely to be awake, so there’s not much reason to talk about it. And then by the time humans built enough lights to do something worthwhile at 02:00, we also had clocks and started to describe that period in reference to clock readings.

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    • foggy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      5 am is the morning. This isn’t negotiable. You’re wrong.

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      • PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        00:01 isn’t the morning. This isn’t negotiable. You’re wrong.

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