Comment on Why Are Cars Getting Rid Of Android Auto?

• JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  There are two things hidden here:

  1. People totally got killed by doing their own maintenance
  2. There is a difference between physical maintenance and, well, you know that people will install some buggy self driving app

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  • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    the entertainment system should have zero access to anything that controls the movement of the car. androidauto apps can’t implement self driving functions either. if it’s possible, the car manufacturer was incredibly irresponsible and needs to be sued into oblivion. see, the actual problem is not that irresponsible users could implement “self driving apps”, but that the entertainment system lacks any real security, is filled with vulnerabilities, and often even have remote access capabilities with bluetooth/wifi/cellular, and bad actors could load malware wirelessly that would kill the passengers and whoever else on the road.

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    • Passerby6497@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Not only is is possible, there are many CAN bus attacks from the entertainment system I’ve seen over the years. That, along with your noted remote attacks makes modern cars a nightmare. It doesn’t help that manufacturers cheap out on basic protections to save a few bucks (see the Hyundai boys and the lack of an installed engine interlock).

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      • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        yeah, unfortunately. but do androidauto apps have access to the CAN bus? I would at least hope that this platform would not grant access to it

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    • nyan@lemmy.cafe ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Lacking government regulation in the largest markets, proper separation will never be enforced, because it isn’t to the manufacturers’ benefits. And that probably isn’t going to happen until hacked infotainment systems kill enough people to draw attention, unfortunately.

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  • Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    People totally got killed by doing their own maintenance

    People have totally gotten killed from maintenance done by a “professional” (new kid on the job at the shop.)

    I watch YouTuber CarCareNut and he’s shown many stupid mistakes made by dealerships.

    I assure you I take greater care doing repairs than a tech who will get yelled at if they don’t finish the job fast.

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  • Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Why are you assuming that the infotainment center in a car can take over steering at all?

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  • tabular@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If saftey is your concern I hope you do not blindly trust manufacturers given their history of “safety and security”. My concern is software freedom: being in control of your own computing (instead of the creator being in control). All software has bugs, but at least 3rd party software isn’t intentionally adding anti-features and spyware.

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    • Holytimes@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      He’s at least right on the front that physical maintenance is easier to do right and be understandable to your avg person due to its higher barrier of entry.

      Digital lower barrier of entry if you can just side load apps means that some real dumb shit will be done that can cause way more problems.

      Both of the possibility of killing people. But physical is harder to fuck up if for no other reason then you can see or feel it’s wrong.

      Digital is already a problem with distracted drivers. Let’s not make it easier.

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      • tabular@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Maybe you’ve missed the real dumb shit getting out from various tech manufacturers. I’m not a car guy but I know enough about software and manufacturers screwing people to see that criminals and amaturers are not the real issue in regards to saftey or repair.

        A Suburu car has a text pop up advert from the manufacturer on display screen, which can’t be used for normal functionallity until you click off it. Is that distracting to you? Want to bet it doesn’t ever get worse than that when the incentive is there and they’re in control? Source: 5m video www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw3KRfy9vQY

        When I have time I’ll try to recall car specific repair issues that lead to injury. All that comes to mind is OneWheel, and the medical industry screeming death by cost.

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