Comment on If reincarnation exists, suicide could make things much much worse.

• rockerface@lemmy.cafe ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Well, if I forget everything in the next life, that won’t be me any more. In a sense, I would be permanently gone regardless of whether it’s technically the same soul.

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  • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    How do explain this.

    Say you had a trumatic childhood experience and repress all your memories before age 12. Did you “die” at age 12? Were your “reborn” at age 12?

    “You” is like this camera that records things. If you swap out the SD card, is it still the same camera?

    Your “soul” is the camera, the SD card is your brain.

    Get what I’m saying?

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    • rockerface@lemmy.cafe ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Repressed memories from trauma still leave subconscious changes in behaviour, though.

      If I lost all my memories until the age of 12 and no trace of any habit or thought remained, then yes. Whoever I used to be died.

      I am my brain and the memories it contains. I am the SD card.

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      • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I don’t like the idea that “memory = identity”

        Memory is part of you, but doen’t solely define you.

        If someone made an identical clone of you, like every atom and molecule, even the neurons. Is that “you”? Did you split into 2?

        If we then destroy the original, are “you” still “alive”. I mean someone has the exact same memories, same atoms.

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      • Isolde@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        You aren’t your brain, your brain and body are completely apart from you and don’t care what you’d like. If you were your brain you could stop beating your heart at will, stop digesting, stop or start functions that you are in control of. You’re not in control of anything; not even what you are seeing. Just your perspective and what you make of those experiences. Also, the change in behavior is also mostly up to your body and brain; not you. If you’re hungry, your judgement is clouded and skews towards the negative, not because that is your want.

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    • VeganBtw@piefed.social ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Shelly Kagan has the best reasoning about souls I’ve seen so far, he makes a pretty compelling case that we have no soul. I recommend this playlist to everyone, it’s so good :

      https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEA18FAF1AD9047B0&si=u3LVmbfKUqoDnCjY

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