Comment on Why aren't advertisers (Microsoft, Facebook, Google) held responsible for allowing scammy adverts?
BolexForSoup@kbin.social 9 months agoApathy? He installed a simple solution to the problem and is telling others to do so.
The problem: companies profit by advertising shit that’s barely legal
The solution: “install an adblock lol”
Explain to me how that solves the problem
“You don’t see the ads anymore”
Yet the company is still profitting and anyone without adblock still sees it. It’s the equivalent of closing your eyes to a problem.
Ok but realistically, what can you do right now? It’s not like you can only do one thing. In the immediate and personally-focused term, you can do an adblocker. If you want to change the world, you can do that too. But that’s not apathy. You’re just acting like promoting adblockers comes at the expense of meaningful change. That’s ridiculous.
You should’ve lead with that instead of just “use an adblock”, completely skirting the actual problem. The way you first commented was apathetic.
You’re just acting like promoting adblockers comes at the expense of meaningful change.
That would make sense if the discussion wasn’t targeted specifically at the responsible companies. It’s the same thing as saying “use Linux” whenever a complaint about windows shows up.
Just in case it’s not clear, the way you reply makes all the difference in how you’re interpreted. “I use adblock and so should you” != “these companies profit off it, it’s why everyone should use an adblock”
I didn’t make the original comment so I shouldn’t/couldn’t have done anything.
This is the problem with online “debates,“ people just pretend nuanced and implications don’t exist. It is very clear that they are talking about an individual solution to get ads away from you right now. I feel like if we were all sitting at a dinner table having a conversation you wouldn’t be nearly as challenging about that as you are now. But we’re online, so people act like there’s no possible way to interpret things other than fiercely literally. It’s just a natural extension of not giving people the benefit of the doubt, refusing to engage with the best possible version of somebody’s argument. We’re always looking for holes.
Z3k3@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Web Integrity API enters the chat
BolexForSoup@kbin.social 9 months ago
So I consider myself decently tech savvy, and I think I have my head wrapped around what WEI does, but could someone give me a decent analogy for it so I can help explain why it’s bad to other people? I feel like I have a 90% understanding so it’s keeping me from coming up with a good description or analogy.
Z3k3@lemmy.world 9 months ago
The docs I read (and yes like you my job relies on me being vaguely tech savey) but someone else can correct me ehere I go wrong
Server sends you app data e.g.youtube.
You receive app data but have extentions that fiddle with data. Not necessarily ad blocker could be any tamper monkey script or a relatively unknown accessibility extension that makes the page palatable.
Browser runs off to authorised entity e.g. Google but they are proposing others (all others I have seen named are big corporate cunts like ms and fb)
They check what’s on your screen and if what’s on the page matches what was sent we all good. If not they can block your access.
Polar@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
So in other words, Google wants to be able to confirm the web page you requested is not tempered with, similar to a video game detecting any kind of mods?
Ya, I don’t see how that’ll work out for them. Even those who don’t use ad blockers, many use accessibility plugins like you said.
I mean damn. I probably have at least 5 extensions that modify the page in some way. Adding better contrast, removing buttons I don’t use and want to hide…
BolexForSoup@kbin.social 9 months ago
Thanks!
dannoffs@lemmy.sdf.org 9 months ago
Completely selfishly I’m not too mad about the web integrity thing because I hate ads so much that if I were forced to see them I would use the Internet less which would probably be good.
Z3k3@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Who knows that may be the up shot.
We all IMHO use it way too much these days especially me.
Hell it’s gotten so bad that years ago I found out my dad was in hospital via a fecking Facebook Post that said something along the lines of welp the surgery went well.