Comment on China Has Reportedly Built Its First EUV Machine Prototype, Marking a Semiconductor Breakthrough the U.S. Has Feared All Along

• SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  The technology behind these 4nm chips and most of the lithography technology comes from EU.

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• captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Mainland Europe has never had a culture of computer hardware development or manufacture. They’ve been coasting on the United States and Britain since WWII. Name me a CPU architecture developed in the EU. There’s one, ARM. British.

  Furthermore, Europe just doesn’t have the work ethic to run a chip fab. You know those attempts to bring fabs to the United States? They’re running afoul of American labor laws, turns out American citizens won’t work 14 hour days like the Taiwanese. You lazy ass Europeans with your 51 weeks of vacation a year don’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of making your own CPUs.

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  • SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Uh…there would be no chip fabs without ASML in Holland.

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  • Iamaquantummechanic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Siemens, then Infineon, had a big RAM factory in Germany before the crash in 2008.

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    • captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      So there hasn’t been any RAM manufactured in Europe in nearly 20 years? Is that the point you’re making?

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      • Iamaquantummechanic@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        You said there never had been a culture of computer hardware manufacture in Europe.

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  • ImmersiveMatthew@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Making the end product you are right, but much of the R&D of our modern world comes out of Europe. Like IMEC. Interesting watch as I was totally unaware of this until it popped up on my YouTube feed. Sure Europe can switch to manufacturing if they desire.

    youtu.be/hDo5P578wJI

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