While Kai Winn is really fun to hate and has a repulsive personality, on an objective level, she’s better than Dukat. All Kai Winn has to her name is 1 murder (maybe 1.5 if we count her making Bareil meaninglessly sacrifice himself), a failed assassination, some back alley political deals, and a school bombing that killed no one, which, while all horrible, is relatively tame compared to killing millions, sexually assaulting dozens, and running a suicide cult.
Also, while I wouldn’t call Kai Winn humble, she’s much less narcissistic than Dukat. She seems to express a genuine sense of insecurity throughout the series that, while not altruistic, is not expressed (though certainly felt internally) by Dukat. Winn is like, “Why am I not enough for power?” while Dukat is like “I deserve power and someone is cheating me of it.”
Also, when she kills Solbor, she seems to feel a genuine remorse, while Dukat tends to justify his murders.
True. At the same time, if I were forced to invite one to Thanksgiving dinner, I’d have to choose Kai Winn because it’d probably be easier to make her shut up.
I hate to say it, but that’s a bit of an unfair insult to Kai Winn.
At least Kai Winn wasn’t cutting public services for Bajorans (granted, she was in a position of religious rather than government power), and telling the Federation to go back to where they come from isn’t almost equivalent to telling Federation citizens to kill themselves. Also, she (probably) doesn’t sell shuttlecraft, and thus there are no stickers that say “I bought this before I knew Kai Winn was crazy”.
Maybe a closer analog is Marjory Taylor Greene - still a fascist idiot who enabled Gul Trump, but certainly a different kind from Elon.
data1701d@startrek.website 1 month ago
I don’t know about that.
While Kai Winn is really fun to hate and has a repulsive personality, on an objective level, she’s better than Dukat. All Kai Winn has to her name is 1 murder (maybe 1.5 if we count her making Bareil meaninglessly sacrifice himself), a failed assassination, some back alley political deals, and a school bombing that killed no one, which, while all horrible, is relatively tame compared to killing millions, sexually assaulting dozens, and running a suicide cult.
Also, while I wouldn’t call Kai Winn humble, she’s much less narcissistic than Dukat. She seems to express a genuine sense of insecurity throughout the series that, while not altruistic, is not expressed (though certainly felt internally) by Dukat. Winn is like, “Why am I not enough for power?” while Dukat is like “I deserve power and someone is cheating me of it.”
Also, when she kills Solbor, she seems to feel a genuine remorse, while Dukat tends to justify his murders.
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 1 month ago
Don’t overthink my bullshit 😅
He’s a monster, but I enjoyed him as a character way more than her, because she’s such a unpleasant person.
data1701d@startrek.website 1 month ago
True. At the same time, if I were forced to invite one to Thanksgiving dinner, I’d have to choose Kai Winn because it’d probably be easier to make her shut up.
sirboozebum@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I thought Space Pope Karen was Elon Musk.
data1701d@startrek.website 1 month ago
I hate to say it, but that’s a bit of an unfair insult to Kai Winn.
At least Kai Winn wasn’t cutting public services for Bajorans (granted, she was in a position of religious rather than government power), and telling the Federation to go back to where they come from isn’t almost equivalent to telling Federation citizens to kill themselves. Also, she (probably) doesn’t sell shuttlecraft, and thus there are no stickers that say “I bought this before I knew Kai Winn was crazy”.
Maybe a closer analog is Marjory Taylor Greene - still a fascist idiot who enabled Gul Trump, but certainly a different kind from Elon.