Comment on I am abandoning Arc Raiders because Embark is stealing voices through AI

• Chef6652@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I understand that this would be costly. But imho this isn’t a good reason. There is imo only two ethic ways to solve this kind of problem:

  • Understand that the goal is too hard to handle. Abandon the voice acting on the ping system.
  • Put the means, even if this is costly*

  *: As I said, Embark is a big company, they made millions of dollars. They can afford it. It is absurd to me to allow such a big structure to “cut costs” by removing the human factors.

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  • Goodeye8@piefed.social ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Do you know the specifics of their contracts with the VA-s? Are you certain they’re not paying the VA-s for using their voice (even if it is AI generated)? What is the ethical dilemma if VA-s are getting paid whenever a new voiceline is created?

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    • Chef6652@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I don’t know the details. And I agree that if every line generated with their voice is paid (at least partially) I don’t see as big of a problem as I stated.

      But call me cynical: I don’t think they were paid for generated voice lines. I would gladly be corrected on this matter though.

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      • Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        That was the case with The Finals (Embark’s previous game) according to testimony by the team, and they are using the same development practices here.

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    • _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      the voice actors were paid to create the text-to-speech system, yes. that was why they were hired in the first place.

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      • Goodeye8@piefed.social ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        But are they also getting paid after the fact? Let’s say $50 any time a new voiceline is added to the game using their voice. Because Embark is using a tool to do the work someone would’ve done manually, they would’ve had to pay the person otherwise so I think a royalty-like payment any time the VA voice is used is completely fair. Otherwise it becomes what people are complaining about, that they’re effectively paying a one time fee for the VA voice and then use it for free for forever.

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      • Chef6652@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Marketing this as “text-to-speech” is oversimplyfying at best, dishonest at worst imho. People need to work, we can’t blame the voice actors. But in the end they still are working against themselves/their peers.

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  • Alchalide@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’m not here to argue with you. I dont mind them using Ai. They are upfront about it. You should do whatever you think is the right thing.

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    • Chef6652@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Sorry if I sounded angry or something. My goal is to debate around this subject I feel passionate about. I’m not really sure I would call all of this “being upfront” but that may be another subject.

      I’m not an English native, so my words could be harsher that it should. Sorry again.

      And thank you for answering and participating about the whole thing. No hard feelings I hope!

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  • _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    There is imo only two ethic ways

    well, ethics aren’t subjective, morals are. and there’s nothing unethical about what they’re doing here.

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    • Chef6652@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It seems to me you are playing with words. Pilaging all internet resources to create and profit on genAI isn’t unethical to you?

      Independent artists have found evidence that their work has been scraped to train most of big genAI tools for years now. That’s A-OK for you?

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      • _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        first of all, yes. I’m an anarchist, I don’t believe in copyright, it’s capitalist bullshit. you can’t own ideas. anything you create is as much mine as it is yours, and I’ll use it for whatever purposes I want with or without your permission.

        second, this isn’t genAI, it’s no different than the text-to-speech system that’s been in use in PC for decades. don’t come in here moaning about genAI when you don’t even know what the system you’re talking about even is.

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• wizblizz@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  If its purely for the sake of velocity, than the performers should be compensated the same as if they were in studio. This is a slippery slope.

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