Buffalox@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Why the fuck is lemmy so chuck full of anti Fiirefox and anti Mozilla propaganda?
I even see comments about Firefox needing to be open source again.
It FUCKING IS open source, anybody can fork it if they want to, the only thing they can’t do is use the Firefox logo and name.
You are all a bunch of idiots!!
I still use Firefox every day, but I don’t trust the corporate overlords to do what’s right long term. They seem to be getting greedy instead of listening to the user base. They’ve started including AI bullshit features for the sake of it, like grouping tabs by content that nobody asked for and that barely works for me. I’m not anti-Mozilla, but I sure am weary of it and would welcome an alternative.
I haven’t come across any open source comments, but those seem pretty clueless.
I don’t trust the corporate overlords to do what’s right long term.
You don’t have to, if Mozilla really screwed the pooch with Firefox it would be forked. Debian used to do it over a petty thing like the copyright of the Firefox logo, which 100% has always been justified, and is necessary to distinguish between an official Firefox and a fork.
The AI bullshit features as you call them are completely non invasive, I always use the newest Firefox, and I never even noticed those features.
Stop the bullshitting and complaining over things are completely irrelevant. and will never ever have any negative influence on anything you do with Firefox.
I’m so sick of this lame community doing this over and over and over again, and it always turns out to be nothing.
The AI bullshit features as you call them are completely non invasive,
And yet I had to turn them off in about:config, not even in the regular settings. Why are the settings hidden? Why can’t I turn them on if I want them? Why isn’t opt-in and transparency their standard approach with such a controversial feature? Those are some serious dark patterns for a company advertising itself as user-friendly, that they had to backtrack on when they saw the community uproar.
Now it’s happening again, but on the developer side.
Stop the bullshitting and complaining over things are completely irrelevant
Irrelevant? I can’t afford AI threads running in the background, hogging my memory and processing power away from my productivity apps for whatever bullshit they decide to add that barely relates to what I use a browser for. I don’t live in a “first-world country” with standard hardware. That’s the whole reason I use Firefox, for the respect for their users that I have grown accustomed to, which they now seem to want to ignore. It’s a huge violation of trust that you’re downplaying when they want to add things first and apologize later.
The bottom line is that their approach has shifted recently, and I have every right to criticize them for it when they say one thing and do another.
standard approach with such a controversial feature
The “controversial” features:
These are all very modest in requirements even on an old phone.
AFAIK all further AI functionalities are all optional.
Number one is particularly useful for blind people, a group that absolutely needs screen readers to work well.
So again stop the bullshitting, just because you are bullshitting yourself too doesn’t make it better.
Either that or mention just one single specific function you “needed” to disable and why.
IMO your misunderstood whining is annoying.
Personally I use the translation function a lot, it is both very handy and very good, and I have used it for both Russian and Ukrainian, and it works surprisingly well.
But maybe you speak every language on the planet, or find it more convenient to use an online translator, leaving extra digital trails and requiring extra bandwidth?
How you don’t find that feature useful is beyond me???
not for the sake of “it”, for the sake of making money. they are competing with the most massive corporations with infinite money.
Your point could have been made without using an ableist slur.
I hate them both. Librewolf and Ungoogled Chromium are the true private and non-profit browsers. Firefox and Brave are full of bloat like Firefox’s ads and tracking and Brave’s Wallet, News, Talk, VPN etc
Why the fuck is lemmy so chuck full of anti Fiirefox and anti Mozilla propaganda?
Because everyone here uses it. What else are they going to complain about?
3abas@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Is it anti Firefox progranda to literally criticize them for reopening human contributed content with lesser quality AI generated one?
Your response to that criticism is to bring up another topic (Firefox being open source) and calling everyone idiots?
Buffalox@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Yes they are, because I bet this is a complete nothing burger, just like the previous 10 times the past year I’ve seen similar baseless attacks on Firefox.
yoasif@fedia.io 3 weeks ago
Pretty dumb to not be able to tell if this one is baseless or not. Maybe think for yourself?
Buffalox@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Your source is a blog with a stupid anecdote from Japan as its main feature. Why should I take that seriously?
h3rmit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I have worked both as a professional translator in works not related to software and as a software developer, and also have participaded on open source public project translated by the community with weblate.
There is NO WAY at all that the AI translations are worse. DeepL has been powering your human translators pretty much since it released, and LLMs are way better at translating than the average Joe.
Most of those weblate managed translations I mentioned were absolute dogshit. Done by humans, done with passion and good intention (most of the time, some of the languages we did know less about had stuff that had nothing to do with the original texts).
Like, people assume since they speak a language that they are able to translate that language and that is not true.
Unless Mozilla had full time, proper translators working, the quality con only increase by using AI.
And if they did, they can sack most of the team, leave one per language, and have them review the translations, and they would save massive amounts of money. And like it or not, open source needs money to run.