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tal@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

If consumers aren’t going to or are much less likely to upgrade, then that affects demand from them, and one would expect manufacturers to follow what consumers demand.

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cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
RAM prices will come down sometime after the AI bubble bursts and they start making more DDR5 again.

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- NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Prices rarely, if ever, go down in a meaningful degree. Stuff like this is partially necessity and partially a REALLY good excuse to see what the price ceiling actually is… and then turn that into the floor moving forward. Just look at gas prices
  
  The “AI Bubble” is likely to be on the same level as the Dotcom Bubble and the like. It is going to be brutal and a LOT of people are going to lose their jobs… and then much of the same tech will still dominate just with more realistic expectations. And that will still need large amounts of memory
  
  If the “AI Bubble” really is as bad as people seem to want it to be: A LOT of the vendors who make the parts you are buying RAM to use are going to be gutted. And then RAM production will drop drastically. Which will decrease supply and…
  
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  - tal@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    Prices rarely, if ever, go down in a meaningful degree.
    
    Prices on memory have virtually always gone down, and at a rapid pace.
    
    ourworldindata.org/…/historical-cost-of-computer-…
    
    1000009320
    
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    NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    What you are describing is something different… that is “close enough” to Moore’s Law for all but the most pedantic.
    
    The (I forget the proper economics term so) base price of RAM/Storage does indeed go down as new processes and economies of scale are developed. Its why a good rule of thumb was to always just spend roughly the same on storage during an upgrade and that would result in faster technologies and larger capacity drives and so forth.
    
    That isn’t what is happening with RAM in 2025. A much better comparison is GPUs because… it is the same problem. It is ridiculously high demand from businesses (often startups) driving this. A quick search didn’t yield an easy graph and I can’t be bothered to go dig through Gamers Nexus’s twelve videos on it, but the price of an “entry level” GPU has drastically changed in the past decade.
    
    But just for two-ish data points?
    
    The GTX 980 and 970 had an MSRP (probably) of 550 and 330 USD, respectively, back in 2014
    
    While there is some other bullshit involved, the RTX 5080 and 5070 have MSRPs of 1000 USD and 550 USD in 2025
    
    Adjusting for inflation, the 980 and 970 would still only be about 753 and 451 USD in 2025 dollars
    
    And let’s not forget that basically no cards were sold at MSRP back in early 2025…
    
    The last point being what is, by all accounts, going to be the new normal. Barring outside impacts like… RAM going through the roof. Vendors will sell the cards for the ACTUAL MSRP rather than the inflated demand prices. And they will still be considerably more expensive as a result.
    
    All of which is to say… my current card is definitely good enough but having a hard time deciding if I do one “final” upgrade for the decade. But I am an AMD boi so those are at least “reasonable” in terms of price per performance.
    
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    eskuero@lemmy.fromshado.ws ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    people say go back in time to pick the correct lotto number
    
    I say go back in time and sell my 8TB disk for 80 billion
    
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  - dan@upvote.au ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    Prices rarely, if ever, go down in a meaningful degree.
    
    In 2011, there was a large flood in Thailand that impacted ~40% of hard drive manufacturing. As a result, hard drives significantly increased in price. This was back when SSDs weren’t mainstream yet.
    
    A year or two later, when manufacturing capacity was restored, prices were essentially back to what they were before the disruption.
    
    Apart from disruptions like that, HDDs, SSDs, and RAM have always been going down in price.
    
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  - Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    In 1995 I bought 4 MB of RAM for DM 200, which, adjusted fire inflation probably works out to about €200 in today’s money. I’d say, prices have come down quite a bit, since.
    
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  - irmadlad@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Pretty much…after the dust all settles and the crying stops, life goes on without you. That’s reality.
    
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