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• DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I was born in China. Immediatly got a massive fine for the crime of being the 2nd child. 💀

  I was lucky they didn’t just abort me. (government people didn’t stop my birth in time…)

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  • Spider89@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    ?.. Is it illegal to have more than one child?..

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    • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      It used to be, at the time I was born.

      My mom was in Guangzhou when she had me. I don’t know exactly what happened, I don’t exact understand everything my mom told me, but apprantly either (1) they didn’t manage to find her, or (2) there was some jurisdiction issue that can only be enforced in Taishan (台山), where she was from, because she told me that she was told to go back and she refused, or maybe (3) they government found out about the pregnancy too late.

      I’m still unsure. My mom doesn’t like talking about it when I push further on the topic. I think it was her village responsible to enforce it, and since she was in Guangzhou (its a city), I think they just didn’t bother to enforce the abortion. Honestly I’m still confused as hell how I survived it.

      My mom told me that after I was born, my existence was pretty much safe, since I assume it’s hard to order people to terminate a crying baby vs a fetus. So anyways… I lived.

      My mom told me she got sterilized afterwards.

      The fines were that, if my parents didn’t pay the fines, I don’t get legal papers. Basically like an illegal immigrant in my own country. So kids basically got punished for just… existing… they didn’t even choose to exist.

      But my parents paid the fine, luckily. It was hard to save up for the money to pay.

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      • T3CHT@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Thanks for sharing your story. I’ve heard of one child policy but never from a 2nd child’s perspective.

        Your story is a disturbing parallel to modern immigrant stories in the US, as well as others, im sure.

        Healthcare is just one step above having a safe place to be in terms of human need, but places/governments that cant meet childrens basic needs in modern society are worth shaming.

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    • ameancow@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      It used to be when the population was spiraling out of control faster than infrastructure and economy could keep up. A new middle-class of sorts rose up and people stopped having kids like everywhere else in the world. So now they have raised the limit to three and are throwing in a bundle of incentives and benefits but even that’s not increasing birth rates.

      A lot of countries are facing aging populations and a smaller young workforce and it’s going to wreck economic production for literally everyone. There’s a reason for the huge push for robotics in elderly care across much of Asia.

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      • Trainguyrom@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        This is a problem that’s being co-opted by right-wing nazitards like Elon Musk who are making it about race, but it’s really a global issue without a lot of clear causes or solutions

        Its really only an issue in the context of capitalism. Capitalism relies on growth. No growth or negative growth means capitalism collapses and all of the hoarding that the rich and powerful have been doing was meaningless. Capitalism grew out of Mercantilism which was an extremely similar economic theory but Mercantilism largely assumes that any trade is bad because someone is “winning” and someone is “losing” meanwhile capitalism learned that trade is good because the same money can be spent more times by more people.

        The short term solution is to create significant financial and other incentives for people to go into healthcare, particularly CNAs because a larger aging population than the working population will require lots of CNAs to care for the elderly. Right now these workers are woefully underpaid and largely abused by both their patients who lack the mental faculties to know what they’re doing and their workplaces which are increasingly frequently owned by private equity

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      • ivanafterall@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        I’ll help China make some babies! Is that a valid reason to immigrate there?

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