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Oh yeah electroshock therapy is actually something we still do. I’ve worked at two places actually who do it. They put the patient under full medical sedation like they would for surgery (they even have a little mini recovery and PACU in the ECT suite). In fact the only main difference between an ECT suite and an OR suite is that the actual procedure room is just clean, not fully sterile since they’re not actually opening the person. On the floor we have to observe all the same pre-op and post-op precautions, like NPO (nothing to eat or drink) after midnight, and changing them into clean clothes in the morning. We don’t have to do a chlorhexidine scrub (again not sterile) but showers are encouraged (sometimes the patient is too sick to tolerate even a bed bath though). Our only special precaution is that we have to stop all anti seizure meds the night before because the whole point is to induce a seizure.

They just put electrodes on kinda like they would with an external defibrillator to stop an abnormal heart rhythm (except obvs they put them on the head, not the chest). Then induce a controlled seizure that lasts like 60 seconds or so, then use medications to stop the seizure if necessary. In fact it’s almost exactly like a heart defibrillator in that we’re turning their brain off and on again to get it to work! Funny that that works with organs like it does with computers! 😅

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REDACTED@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
There’s real science behind using electricity to heal to be fair, so it’s not all gypsies. I think the latest paper I saw was this: www.sciencedaily.com/releases/…/251029100202.htm

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SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Afterwards the patients walk around like zombies for many hours and it is incredibly unfun to witness.

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- Apytele@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  um. yeah. they do that after regular surgery too. a shitton of sedatives will do that. ect is somewhat associated with temporary memory loss but it wears off just as quick as with a regular seizure.
  
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  - SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    After being in an ICU for a busy night and being in the same room while another person didn’t make it, I am DNR on like everything. You shouldn’t need to do that to my body for me to be alive.
    
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  - PrincessTardigrade@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    If you’re willing to share, I would be interested in hearing your reasoning for a DNR if it’s outside of the typical cases (terminal, elderly, etc.). I don’t know a ton about what all they do to resuscitate beyond CPR/AED (when necessary) and possibly general life support measures
    
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    Apytele@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Honestly it’s not even the CPR that particularly bothers me, it’s the intubation and the stuff after. I’ve worked with so many patients who don’t have a lot of working neural tissue left and their family just has them medically tortured for years because they want to see them blink occasionally. Next time I update my documents I think I’m going to add that if my family wants something to happen to me that I have to be held down for, they have to be in the room. If they can’t stand to watch / listen to me while it happens, they’ve no right signing off on it.
    
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- SkyezOpen@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  A hard reboot will do that to ya.
  
  What kind of conditions is electro therapy used to treat?
  
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  - SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Treatment resistant chronic depression.
    
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  - PrincessTardigrade@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Not the original commenter, but my understanding is that it’s used for severe depression when other treatments have been unsuccessful, so sort of a last resort. And apparently it’s fairly effective iirc, especially when compared to other treatment options (e.g., antidepressants).
    
    I’m curious as to whether having a seizure disorder would correlate with lower depression rates, or if electroshock-induced seizures may lead to higher chances of having non-induced seizures in the future.
    
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    Apytele@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    there is actually a huuuge overlap between anticonvulsants / antiseizure medications and anti-manic agents (mania being the opposite of depression).
    
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