Comment on Norwegian Man Arrested for Playing Dorei to no Seikatsu

• mo_lave@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Imagine getting Nuremberg’ed for playing as Germany in HOI4

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  • KatakiY@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah sorry but people who jerk off to the pedo rape game are definitely pedos.

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    • trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I am a good thought haver and I signal this by telling everyone bad thought havers should be executed

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      • bastion@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        yeah… …there’s something so fundamentally fucked about conceptual suppression, and I don’t think it makes the real issue - actions that harm others - better.

        Like, I keep thinking of how deeply Christianity and Catholicism want to get in your pants and tell you what and when you should and shouldn’t be thinking this or that. …and it ends up making a system that helps to obfuscate and provides cover for that very thing.

        Now, in tits following example, I absolutely am not suggesting that being gay is bad. But, in religions (Christianity being the prime example) where it is considered bad, it’s always the loudest, most virtuos signallers that end up being found to be involved in closeted gay relationships.

        I guess, in some ways, there’s just no better cover than to signal that you’re a good thought haver, and that bad thought havers should be executed.

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    • Pandantic@midwest.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      And pedos deserve to be in jail because they looked played a game? Or in general? Shouldn’t we just save the taxpayer’s time and send them to the camps?

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    • delcaran@feddit.it ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You are right, but being a pedofile should not be a crime. It’s a sexual deviation from the norm, maybe a disgusting and/or dangerous deviation, but it’s nothing different than coprofilia.

      If the pedofile do not act on his/her desires and there is no illegal material or action involved, just let him/her be.

      Keep an I on him/her, of course, seek counseling, but act only of and when the perversion is growing out of control.

      Same thing with drugs: if you can afford them, good for you (and welcome to high society). If you can’t afford them and you screw your relationship over it, fuck you and seek counsel. But if you start to steal, kidnap, or hurt people in anyway, that’s where the line must be drawn.

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      • TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Sorry, but pedophilia is vastly different than coprophilia and other outlandish fetishes in the scale of harm to others and the inability for it to ever be consensual.

        I could talk about how pedophiles also tend to seek positions where they hold power dynamics over children, even ones who don’t act on their desires, increasing the likelihood of abuse, but I think your point is moreso about a hypothetical pedophile who doesn’t act on their desires, doesn’t acquire CSAM, doesn’t surround themselves with children and simply struggles internally with their fetish and actively seeks professional help on how to maintain a safe life for themselves and others.

        Yes, I suppose that person doesn’t need any government intervention in their lives outside of the monitoring you suggested.

        That said, this particular article is about a man who did seek out, acquire and consume CSAM instead of seeking therapy. The government detected this and removed him from society such that he cannot be a threat to children. That sounds about right.

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  • TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    HOI4 is an interesting choice for an analogy here.

    It’s unanalagous in that HOI4 sanitized itself of the Holocaust specifically so people wouldn’t be able to roleplay committing xenophobic genocide, unlike the game in question which is specifically designed to let you roleplay a pedophile rapist preying on the already abused.

    However it is tangentially analogous in the sense that anime tends to have a bit of a Nazi bar issue with pedophilia thanks to people (who I’m gonna have to assume are well intentioned) unintentionally making room for pedophiles to exist and operate with arguments just like the ones you’re making here.

    Of course video games don’t cause violence. The only people interested in the pedophile rapist roleplay visual novel, though, are very likely people with an interest in pedophilia. The government is right to monitor and remove people who acquire CSAM instead of going to therapy from society and it isn’t overreach to protect children in this way. Is there a potential for such a system to be abused by the government? Yes, of course, but such is true of any system. Preventing government abuse and corruption is separate from stopping the distribution of CSAM and protecting children from predators.

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    • mo_lave@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s unanalagous in that HOI4 sanitized itself of the Holocaust specifically so people wouldn’t be able to roleplay committing xenophobic genocide, unlike the game in question which is specifically designed to let you roleplay a pedophile rapist preying on the already abused.

      Fair. Follow-up questions:

      1. If someone mods HOI4 to include aspects of the Holocaust and all the other Nazi stuff, does that make this particular copy of the game hate material? (IMO: it would be in areas where Nazi symbolism is banned, similar to how Norwegian law makes Dorei to no Seikatsu illegal there. People’s opinions on the material are irrelevant, it’s what the law of the land says)
      2. Conversely, if Dorei no Seikatsu hypothetically censors or tones down the graphic/explicit portions, but the story essentially remains the same, would it be considered CSAM in Norway?

      However it is tangentially analogous in the sense that anime tends to have a bit of a Nazi bar issue with pedophilia thanks to people (who I’m gonna have to assume are well intentioned) unintentionally making room for pedophiles to exist and operate with arguments just like the ones you’re making here.

      I see the concern that pedophiles continue to abuse children. There’s degrees of handling the problem, up to and including measures like Chat Control and Britain’s Online Safety Act. Now, do the people have the appetite to be subject to those measures?

      Which leads to…

      Preventing government abuse and corruption is separate from stopping the distribution of CSAM and protecting children from predators.

      I don’t trust governments eroding privacy and surveilling its people because of predators. They pass those types of measures with other goals in mind.

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    • kandoh@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      There is no shortage of real CSAM creators to go after. Shouldn’t we prioritize going after those people ahead of drawings of cartoon characters?

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